Solutions..Solutions...!!!!!!

by Friend_4uall on October 30, 2005, 04:54:16 PM
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Yes friends..as we are aware that all Yoindians are quite matured and experienced people in their own regards.....why not take opinions for betterment...!!

Let us feel free to put up problems which we may be facing and try to find solutions.. aka .. Yoindia way... !!!
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sanya310
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«Reply #1 on: October 30, 2005, 05:03:20 PM »
very nice topic, friend!! well
we're all ready to help anyone in need!
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pyarikudi1983
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«Reply #2 on: October 30, 2005, 06:38:27 PM »
Do you have ne Gem of ideas 2 end terrorism sad5  sad5  sad5  sad5 This is a problem which not only i m facing but da entire Mankind :? Life has become so uncertain dis days..........just imagine the situation of a child aged 12 who calls her mom whoz was at sarojini market shopping n den what she hear's is a bang and the 12yr old's Call to Mum ends sad5 this is just 1 among many heart-touching situations I came across in da newspaper sad5  plz help me find a solution to al this sad5 ...Can U?Huh?
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«Reply #3 on: October 30, 2005, 08:22:04 PM »
Quote from: "pyarikudi1983"
Do you have ne Gem of ideas 2 end terrorism sad5  sad5  sad5  sad5 This is a problem which not only i m facing but da entire Mankind :? Life has become so uncertain dis days..........just imagine the situation of a child aged 12 who calls her mom whoz was at sarojini market shopping n den what she hear's is a bang and the 12yr old's Call to Mum ends sad5 this is just 1 among many heart-touching situations I came across in da newspaper sad5  plz help me find a solution to al this sad5 ...Can you?Huh?


Very sweet of you Pyari.....But the problem is very huge and entire world is facing this problem.  World could not have found the solutions for this, afterall what we can do for it as individual!!!  But we can help the poor and sufferer by within our limited strengths.  Thanks for your concern about the nation.  I am really very happy to talk to a wonderful person like you.  Keep it up the spirit!!! :thumb:
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«Reply #4 on: October 31, 2005, 08:24:53 PM »
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Quote from: "pyarikudi1983"
Do you have ne Gem of ideas 2 end terrorism sad5  sad5  sad5  sad5 This is a problem which not only i m facing but da entire Mankind :? Life has become so uncertain dis days..........just imagine the situation of a child aged 12 who calls her mom whoz was at sarojini market shopping n den what she hear's is a bang and the 12yr old's Call to Mum ends sad5 this is just 1 among many heart-touching situations I came across in da newspaper sad5  plz help me find a solution to al this sad5 ...Can you?Huh?


Very sweet of you Pyari.....But the problem is very huge and entire world is facing this problem.  World could not have found the solutions for this, afterall what we can do for it as individual!!!  But we can help the poor and sufferer by within our limited strengths.  Thanks for your concern about the nation.  I am really very happy to talk to a wonderful person like you.  Keep it up the spirit!!! :thumb:


 :oops: Arey Yaar wat wonderful person :? Kuch kar hi tho nahi pate naa yaar sad5  sad5  sad5  sad5 Hum tho sirf paper mein padh lete hain ya phir kahin likh lete hain ya discuss kar leten hain aur kya karte hain yaar sad5 But U r absolutlyyyy No doubt Very Right Usual Smile What U told is acctualy wat an Individual can do...................I think if every Individual on earth Cud b able to think Like U....phir tho suhas terrosism bhi kaam ho sakti hai sad5  sad5 Hain naa??n ya even u r a wonderful person :withgenius:  n m sure each 1 at Yoindia r wonderful persons......m proud 2 b here Usual Smile  :ghug:
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«Reply #5 on: October 31, 2005, 08:42:53 PM »
Miss Pyari ...  U r talking of a big thing on a very small level.  .  . The thought is no daubt real gr8. and the wishes anre unconditional, but the sad part to it is, it is impractical.

Kisi ne kaha hai ke yeh kalyuig hai ... aap iska ek hissa ho. aap khud main purn nahi ho. yeh kudrat hai aur isse khuda ne racha hai. aap bas aapne karam kare jao. Chinta karoge to kuch na doge is duniya ko na he khud ko kuch de pao ge.

kahi yeh bhi likha hai ... aapne bhai ke aakh ka tinha nikalne ke bare main na soch ... kyo ke tu nahi jaanta ki teri aakh ke aage patta laga hai. pahele khud ke aakh ke aage ka patta pahechan aur usse hatha phir apne bhai ke bare main sochan.

wt i mean is just to say ... we as individuals are just responsible for wt we say or do...if each one does the rt thing it will all be just rt.

but the community and civilization and the society has been formed over million of ages. parts of earth have different habitat and thus we have different kind of people around. and as community everyone has their own beliefs. and you can do nothing bout it.

for the people who are involved in terrorism. have a huge international network. they fight for something they believe is theirs and want it as a whole. forgetting they are not just the ones whom it belongs to. and moreover it is an international fight ... then ... the ones to suffer will always be the locals. ( its complicated)

All you can do as individuals is PRAY ... 1. for the ones who are the sufferers 2. for yourself never to b the sufferer.

Wish u the best!
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pyarikudi1983
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«Reply #6 on: October 31, 2005, 08:56:35 PM »
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Miss Pyari ...  you r talking of a big thing on a very small level.  .  . The thought is no daubt real gr8. and the wishes anre unconditional, but the sad part to it is, it is impractical.

Kisi ne kaha hai ke yeh kalyuig hai ... aap iska ek hissa ho. aap khud main purn nahi ho. yeh kudrat hai aur isse khuda ne racha hai. aap bas aapne karam kare jao. Chinta karoge to kuch na doge is duniya ko na he khud ko kuch de pao ge.

kahi yeh bhi likha hai ... aapne bhai ke aakh ka tinha nikalne ke bare main na soch ... kyo ke tu nahi jaanta ki teri aakh ke aage patta laga hai. pahele khud ke aakh ke aage ka patta pahechan aur usse hatha phir apne bhai ke bare main sochan.

wt i mean is just to say ... we as individuals are just responsible for wt we say or do...if each one does the rt thing it will all be just rt.

but the community and civilization and the society has been formed over million of ages. parts of earth have different habitat and thus we have different kind of people around. and as community everyone has their own beliefs. and you can do nothing bout it.

for the people who are involved in terrorism. have a huge international network. they fight for something they believe is theirs and want it as a whole. forgetting they are not just the ones whom it belongs to. and moreover it is an international fight ... then ... the ones to suffer will always be the locals. ( its complicated)

All you can do as individuals is PRAY ... 1. for the ones who are the sufferers 2. for yourself never to b the sufferer.

Wish you the best!


Tosha I very well know what all U have said here,who doesnt know that ppl involved in terrorism have a huge international network or its an international fight or ETC ETC, yea no doubt its Complicated...n quite obviously no solution can b Out all of a sudden out of da Blue....Which sinces ages is not bein able ta get solved..........Thatz quite impractical agreed....But Suhas gave an appropriate Solution to my Q....What he said is crystal Clear that What v can do is Act as Individuals.............help the poor n vulnerable in every possible manner v can glasses2 ........Sinces ages Communities and civilizations r formed with various ppl having da similar kinda thought 'What v can do absolutly nothin' n Here v r sad5 ......Neway what u told is right lets PRAY......Amen!
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«Reply #7 on: October 31, 2005, 09:03:29 PM »
u know wt ... since we r in a discussion and it seems intresting to be ... more cos i like wt u said and even more cos i have a passion for discussions...

wt you said ... "What v can do is Act as Individuals.............help the poor n vulnerable in every possible manner v can "

we as individual cant help the poor... we need organisation for that ... as individuals we can only pray or help the organizations that exist to help the poor.

thats my say... wt do u think???
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pyarikudi1983
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«Reply #8 on: November 01, 2005, 06:28:35 PM »
Quote from: "Tosha"
you know wt ... since we r in a discussion and it seems intresting to be ... more cos i like wt you said and even more cos i have a passion for discussions...

wt you said ... "What v can do is Act as Individuals.............help the poor n vulnerable in every possible manner v can "

we as individual cant help the poor... we need organisation for that ... as individuals we can only pray or help the organizations that exist to help the poor.

thats my say... wt do you think???


{ :lol:  :lol: U knw wat even I love discussing things this way glasses2 n I love ppl who have an attitude ta discuss things in such a wonderful manner,U r a product of that no doubt :wink: Miss Smarty glasses2 }Here it goes... glasses2

 Shocked  Shocked Miss Tosha why cant v act as individuals???Lemme explain its very simple..lets say 4 example 'U Have many old clothes which u give as gifts to the poor gals in ur locality' So Is this not an individual help?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh??Arent U acting individually?Huh??or may b 'U distribute sum amount of money to da beggars sitting on da roadside of a particular area' So is it not an Initiative That u r Taking individually?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh???If v cant act as Individuals How can v as Individuals help organisations ta Perform?Huh??If u r competent enough to perform as an individual as far as helping the poor than only U can Suggest Some ideas Etc to da respective NGOs n GOs to perform better...... :lol:  :lol: {Hope toshu U r understanding my point of view}

Lemme tell U 1 more thing, When U r talking bout Organisations Do u know that Many International and national NGOs working 4 da poor and vulnerable r Recruiting Solely Competent Individuals...'If a person has that attitude that He/she can Individually afford and take the pain to do something for the poor than only Orgs Like UNICEF or CARE or ETC ETC think bout recruiting these Recruites glasses2  glasses2  glasses2 U shud have the Passion to b able to ACT INDIVIDUALLY or ACT as Individuals to help the poor and vulnerable in every small little way v can Than only v can think of helping Orgs or nethin Bigger Usual Smile  Usual Smile Got it?Huh? glasses2

Susmita Sen has adopted an orphan a child who was vulnerable at that point of time....Has not she acted individually?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh???didnt she think of doing sumthin rather than Just praying :?: or Our Rural Development Minister Honorable 'Raghuvansh P.singh' Has failed to act as an individual in helping the poor n vulnerable residing all over India?Huh?Huh??

Only Individual Efforts Taking Collectively can Make a huge change.

This is My view point ofcourse v should Pray but as Individuals v can Act Effectively and Efficiently!! What do U have 2 say 2 this :wink:  :lol:  :lol: Huh??? Hope v finally cum 2 a solution glasses2
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«Reply #9 on: November 01, 2005, 08:08:36 PM »
wow .. .!!! U bet we are nt in a debate or else i would have never agreed to what you say. but since we are having a nice discussion without making it an arguement i'd say ....

i highly appriciate what you have just said. and that you do have good knowledge. U bet more than me Winking

I liked what you said about adoption act of Sushmita Sen ... and i adore her for that ( wish i have the heart to adopt a girl too )

but i dont agree about giving individually to the begger or the poor. (tough i do ocassionally end up giving things / money )

The very reason is the attitude of the below poverty line population in out country has become crucked.

a few examples ...

1. In delhi, in the car, on the red light, 3-4 kids came to me and begged for money ...  (well i had no money to b honest) i was with a friend n he asked the kids to go away sweetly to wish the reaction of the kids was they broke the wiper of the car... wt do you say bout it??

2. My dad had to go out to the village and give money to the parents to send then to the school ... n inspite to it they said wt wil we get if my kid does study. once he studies he'll go away ... funny !!!

3. on my way home we( a few passengers and me) came across a begger boy who threw one rupee coin back at the passenger who gave it to him saying " i worth thoudhads dont give me just a rupee coin give me more ... i can sell off my hand and get Rs 10,000 cash"

what i mean to say here is that poor take their poverty for granted... they have begun to relish it and have begun to take it for granted that they have to get for free.... !!

only one thing in my point of view can really change the situation and that is Education

wt do you say!!??
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Friend_4uall
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«Reply #10 on: November 01, 2005, 09:36:09 PM »
You are rite Tosha...........!!! People now a days tend to live for free.......!! That is the worst part of life...!!!!
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«Reply #11 on: November 02, 2005, 10:04:16 AM »
I don’t fully agree with Tosha ji!!! To help the poor and sufferer, we need heart and unselfishness attitude not reasons!!!

Yes I agree it is very wrong thing to encourage beggers by giving money.  I also don’t do that.  But we can serve by giving money or things to the organizations who is serving poor or orphans or old aged people.  It is also considered as an individual efforts.  It is not a discussing topic but they need help not reasons!!!  All things has one or the other reasons. If we find reasons for all these things then we can’t do anything for this society.  Helping is individual’s decision, nobody can enforce it on anyone!!!
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pyarikudi1983
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«Reply #12 on: November 02, 2005, 11:00:50 AM »
Yes!!! Suhas is no doubt again rite :D  and that was exactly wat was cuming ta my mind. But Tosha Even this time m in a fix like whether to counteract to wht U have said or accept it :oops: .lemme tell U mah views, point wise:lol:  :lol: {others will sleep off reading wht mess sum of Us hav created here :lol:  :lol: but its something which is new on yoindia n i like it :wink: }

1. the incidents which U hav Stated above is 100% Valid, Yes their r few marginals of poor or their r few People who pretend as if they r very vulnerable and Create an irony for the fact that whether 1 shud help the poor or not...n so Unnessarily the persons who really need help r mistaken as cheaters n ETc. Why I cant disagree 2 these few lines of urs is Cuz....I have seen many Women carrying 3-4 children with them and Begging 4 money, rather they r blessed with a very sound health and can very well work as domestic servents or something Sensible n earn money....like I used ta think 'If they can afford ta give Birth ta 4 kids den Y cant dey Work 4 their living??' so 4 may b few secs I thought that may b dey r Traping Human sentiments ta Sustain theri Livelihood Puzzled ! . But again a thought Creeps, In Like r jobs or work easily avaliable to these Women?Huh? or does she rilli needs help?Huh??? Sometimes even m Scared to give a rupee to a beggar Cuz I have heard that they throw it back On ur face :oops: n yea sometimes few of them Can even harm U if ya deny ta give them or may b Curse U..Yes! sometimes Few do take their Poverty 4 granted.....But tell me something 4 few of these freaks do ya think One Should ignore The rest Of the Crowd Of poors or vulnerables?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

2. Like Suhas Rightly Stated That v cant help ne poor if v start Finding Valid Reasons behind it....I mean a person Is hungry n asking 4 some amount of money say a 5rupee n 1 Starts thinking about the Concept of 'Increasing Beggarisim ETC ETC' then Yes! da person wud faint their itself waiting 4 ur decision with hunger. Isnt It?Huh?Huh?Huh????n If U have enough money 2 donate to Organisations Than its even Great..though 4 da general Populi it becomes difficult ta donate Lakhs to Org cuz they themselves have responsibilities ta handle. So, sometimes as far as the poor r concerned v need to keep our reasons aside?? Rite???

3. Because Tosha Many educated,Sensible, rational n well off people Sometimes act rather many a times act in da Most irrrational manner 1 can ever imagine of :oops: n jus think the poor r not even literate they r not blessed with a Proper Upbringing So naturally they will act that way....I mean do U think their parents will bother ta teach Them values,Ethics ETC ETC when they r dying of hunger?Huh?Huh?Huh????So why will V start finding reasons 4 them Only?Huh?Huh?Huh??Only cuz they wont react Forcefully?Huh??Only cuz V r above them?Huh?Huh?Huh??

4. U have rightly said that 'education' Can help!n many Orgs r working on this regard....But dnt U think these r Social Problems Our country is facing since ages n No1 rilli knows were the Lacuna Lies :oops: thatz  another debatable Q 4 all of Us :oops: So do ya think If 2day a small girl aged 4 cums to U n asks Money Will U start thinking about these Complicated Points :lol: or right away takeout a 5rupee n hand it over to her????I BET U will do the later,Wont U?:wink:  :wink: Cuz No human Can stop himself/herself 4m doing that Usual Smile

No doubt U n Friend n Suhas r Amazingly Correct n rational On every aspect of this discussion :wink: Its difficult ta disagree to what U  r saying cuz U have narrated few Luvly truths :oops: But even Suhas  has Counteracted It Magnificently. What do U think of all This?Huh?Huh??? Does Ne More points arise 4 further discussion or V shall find a solution to it n skip ta a different Q with debatable Solutions :wink:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Huh??
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«Reply #13 on: November 02, 2005, 11:35:52 AM »
Very Nice discussion......... Usual Smile  It is true that we can'nt change the world.... and a problem like terrorism is really a big one.. But do U people think discussions are enough.. Mere discussions wont' bring any change to this world.... what is needed is action..  I have heard in buses/parks people discussing & criticizing politics & politicians.... But they too get corrupted if provided that post.. we can't change the world but we can change ourselves.... We all talk abt. corruption but we ourselves bribe to get our job done smoothly....
Aur jahan tak poor aur needy ki help karne ki baat hai.... We people never have enough time to judge whether the person is really a needy one.... Lots of money is collected by Social work organisations.... But how much of that is really spent for those who actually need it.... Most of U wont' agree w/ me I know.... But that's what I felt...
Iska matlab ye nahi ki hamein kisi ki madad nahi karni chaahiye.. Lekin sirf money donate karna hi kaafi nahi hai.... Uss money ko sahi haathon mein dena bhi utna hi jaroori hai....
Moreover I dont' agree w/ tosha ki ye kalyug hai.... Iss duniya mein sabhi yug hain.... Lekin hamein sirf apni soch badalni hai....
Hum sabhi raahon ke kaante to nahi chun saktey lekin jis raah par chaltey hain kam se kam wahan se to kaante hata hi saktey hain....... Usual Smile
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«Reply #14 on: November 02, 2005, 07:30:41 PM »
Quote from: "Suhas"
I don’t fully agree with Tosha ji!!! To help the poor and sufferer, we need heart and unselfishness attitude not reasons!!!

Yes I agree it is very wrong thing to encourage beggers by giving money.  I also don’t do that.  But we can serve by giving money or things to the organizations who is serving poor or orphans or old aged people.  It is also considered as an individual efforts.  It is not a discussing topic but they need help not reasons!!!  All things has one or the other reasons. If we find reasons for all these things then we can’t do anything for this society.  Helping is individual’s decision, nobody can enforce it on anyone!!!


this is exactly wt i've been saying in my previous discussions ... if you dont mind you can re-read through them.


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i gtg rt now i've got my class... i'll get back to read wt you have to say kudriye and the rest...!!!
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