excrepts from the bks of ROBERT GREEN INGERSOUL

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SUPERSTITION PUTS BELIEF ABOVE GOODNESS........CREDULITY OVER VIRTUE
HERE ARE TWO MAN.ONE IS INDUSTRIOUS,FRUGAL,HONEST,GENEROUS.HE HAS A HAPPY HOME....LOVES HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN.....FILLS THEIR LIVES WITH SUNSHINE.HE ENJOYS STUDY,THAUGHTS,MUSIC AND ALL THE SUBTLETIES OF ART.....BUT HE DOES NOT BELIEVE THE CREED....CARES NOTHING FOR SACRED BOOKS,WORSHIPS NO GOD AND FEARS NO DEVIL

THE OTHER IS IGNORENT,COARSE,BRUTAL,BEATS HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN.....BUT HE BELIEVES....REGARDS THE BIBLE AS INSPIRED....BOWS TO THE PRIESTS,CAUNT HIS BEADS,SAYS HIS PRAYERS,CONFESSES AND CONTRIBUTES,AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DECLARES AND THE PROTESTANT CHURCH DECLARES THAT HE IS THE BATTER MAN

THE IGNORENT BELIEVER,COARSE AND BRUTAL AS HE IS,IS GOING TO HEAVEN.HE WILL BE WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.HE WILL HAVE WINGS....A HARP AND A HALO

THE INTELLIGENT AND GENEROUS MAN WHO LOVES HIS FOLLOW MEN...WHO DEVELOPS HIS BRAIN,WHO ENJOYS THE BEAUTIFUL,IS GOING TO HELL.....TO THE ETERNAL PRISON

SUCH IS THE JUSTICE OF GOD....THE MERCY OF CHIRST

ROBERT GREEN INGERSOLL
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/index.html
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«Reply #1 on: April 03, 2006, 08:02:55 PM »
The author Mr. Robert Green has no knowledge. A person can in no way be fearless unless he believes in God. His fearlessness may be out of ignorance. But the moment he gets into some sort of crisis he would become the most fearful person on earth.

Moreover, its not good to generalise things. How, on earth, does he know that all non-believers love their wife, children and work and all believers beat up their wife and children and hate their work. Its very stupid of him to say such a thing. For me, the case is entirely different. In more than 70% of the cases, the story is exactly the opposite.

Comments and criticism from the learned members of yoindia are most welcome!
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«Reply #2 on: April 08, 2006, 04:03:16 PM »
actually you are right,it can not be genrelise that believer beats his wife and non believer loves his wife.its matter of thinking and nature.but in our prectical world the person who prays is called good and who does not pray is called bad,malech,kafir,adharmi,manmukh and so on ........they dont value the goodness of people.i am a sikh and if i will cut my hairs or marry the women of other religion our socity will throw me from themselves....even i will not get the regard from my perents it does not matter how much i love them.but on the other hand if anyone beats his wife because that women should not work outside he will not be thrown out of the socity.because he prays and do all the things according to religious books.
      i dont know how a believer is fearless and non believer  fears .a believer is always in fear of unknown powers and life after death."ye mat karo bhagwaan ji naaraj ho jaayenge,aaj mat nahao,aaj ye mat khao,aaj idher munh karke sowo,pooja paath nahin karte tabhi to musibatain aati hain,tumne ye galat kar diya.....itne ka prasad charhao,pawitter jaghon par jaa ke nahao......."these all are the words of believers.they will not tell you that the cause of your problems is your own foolishness or because of natural laws.believer lives in constent fear.i know some innocent people around me who has taken the money on five persent monthly interest to go to tirath assuming that he will be fearless in coming life from illness and worries.believers lives in fear from life after death and non believers fears only when he came in crises.but in crises he does not run from the worries.he knows that if he will do something himself he can get out from the crises and if he cant do anything he accepts it and not blame the god for his problems.
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«Reply #3 on: April 08, 2006, 04:35:25 PM »
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actually you are right,it can not be genrelise that believer beats his wife and non believer loves his wife.its matter of thinking and nature.but in our prectical world the person who prays is called good and who does not pray is called bad,malech,kafir,adharmi,manmukh and so on ........they dont value the goodness of people.i am a sikh and if i will cut my hairs or marry the women of other religion our socity will throw me from themselves....even i will not get the regard from my perents it does not matter how much i love them.but on the other hand if anyone beats his wife because that women should not work outside he will not be thrown out of the socity.because he prays and do all the things according to religious books.
      i dont know how a believer is fearless and non believer  fears .a believer is always in fear of unknown powers and life after death."ye mat karo bhagwaan ji naaraj ho jaayenge,aaj mat nahao,aaj ye mat khao,aaj idher munh karke sowo,pooja paath nahin karte tabhi to musibatain aati hain,tumne ye galat kar diya.....itne ka prasad charhao,pawitter jaghon par jaa ke nahao......."these all are the words of believers.they will not tell you that the cause of your problems is your own foolishness or because of natural laws.believer lives in constent fear.i know some innocent people around me who has taken the money on five persent monthly interest to go to tirath assuming that he will be fearless in coming life from illness and worries.believers lives in fear from life after death and non believers fears only when he came in crises.but in crises he does not run from the worries.he knows that if he will do something himself he can get out from the crises and if he cant do anything he accepts it and not blame the god for his problems.



Its Coveincing . . . . . I do agree on certain points!

Hmmm its a Nice discussion Ranjeet and Karan Bro!
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«Reply #4 on: April 13, 2006, 04:57:41 PM »
According to Swami Vivekanand, the fruit of religion is fearlessness!

But fearlessness can come only if a person could understand religion and God as they really are and not according to their imagination...

Problem with today's people is that they want to believe in God and follow religion the way they want and not the way it should be...may be, its the only way they could fulfill their destinies...

We are not supposed to condemn others for the way they are behaving because we do not know about their past karmas...only advice i can give to you is try to understand God first...and that you can do only if you listen regularly to Satsang and read books of acclaimed saints...

God is very different from what people understand about him in genereal...since you have just started, i can't explain you everything on this site...you must listen to Satsang...i can only tell you whose books to read and whose Satsang you should listen...the rest is upto you...
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«Reply #5 on: June 07, 2006, 05:34:08 PM »
WHAT IS MORALITY?

IN THIS WORLD WE NEED CERTAIN THINGS.WE HAVE MANY WANTS.WE ARE EXPOSED TO MANY DENGERS.WE NEED FOOD,FUEL,RAIMENT AND SHELTAR,AND BESIDES THESE WANTS,THERE IS WHAT MAY BE CALLED,THE HUNGER OF THE MIND
WE ARE CONDITIONED BEINGS.AND OUR HAPPINESS DEPENDS UPON CONDITIONS.THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT DIMINISH,CIRTAIN THINGS THAT DESTROY AND THERE ARE OTHERS THAT PRESERVE.
HAPPINESS,INCLUDING ITS HIGHEST FORMS,IS AFTER ALL THE ONLY GOOD,AND EVERYTHING,THE RESULT OF WHICH IS TO PRODUCE OR SECURE HAPPINESS,IS GOOD THAT IS TO SAY MORAL.EVERYTHING  THAT DESTROYS OR DIMINISHES WELL BEING IS BAD,THAT IS TO SAY,IMMORAL,IN OTHER WORDS,ALL THAT IS GOOD IS MORAL AND ALL THAT IS BAD IS IMMORAL.
WHAT THEN IS,OR CAN BE CALLED,A MOREL GUIDE?THE SHORTEST POSSIBLE ANSWER IS THE WORD:INTELLIGENCE
WE WANT THE EXPERIENCE OF MANKIND,THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE RACE.WE WANT THE INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENT,OF THE GROWTH OF THE ETHICAL,OF THE IDEA OF JUSTICE,OF CONSCIENCE,OF CHARITY,OF SELF-DENIAL.WE WANT TO KNOW THE PATHS AND ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN TRAVELED BY THE HUMEN MIND.
THESE FACTS IN GENERAL,THESE HISTORIES IN OUTLINE,THE RESULTS REACHED,THE CONCLUSIONS FORMED,THE PRINCIPLES EVOLVED,TAKEN TOGETHER,WOULD FORM THE BEST CONCEIVABLE MORAL GUIDE.
WE CANNOT DEPEND ON WHAT ARE CALLED"INSPIRED BOOKS"OR THE RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD.THESE RELIGIONS ARE BASED ON THE SUPERNATURAL,AND ACCORDING TO THEM WE ARE UNDER OBLIGATION TO WORSHIP AND OBEY SOME SUPERNATURAL BEING,OR BEINGS.ALL THESE RELIGIONS ARE INCONSISTENT WITH INTELLECTUAL LIBERTY.THEY ARE THE ENEMIES OF THAUGHT,OF INVESTIGATION,OF MENTAL HONESTY.THEY DESTROY THE MANLINESS OF MAN.THEY PROMISE ETERNAL REWARDS FOR BELIEF,FOR CREDULITY,FOR THEY CALL FAITH.
THESE RELIGIONS TEACH THE SLAVE VIRTUES.THEY MAKE INANIMATE THINGS HOLY,AND FALSEHOOD SACRED.THEY CREATE ARTFICIAL CRIMES.TO EAT MEAT ON FRIDAY,TO ENJOY YOURSELF ON SUNDAY,TO BE HAPPY IN LENT,TO DISPUTE A PRIEST,TO ASK FOR EVIDENCE,TO DENY A CREED,TO EXPRESS YOUR SINCERE THOUGHT,ALL THESE ACTS ARE SINS,CRIMES AGAINEST SOME GOD,TO GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINIAN ABOUT GODMEN IS FAR WORSE THEN TO MALICIOUSLY SLANDER YOUR NEIGHBOUR.TO QUISTION OR DOUBT MIRACLES IS FAR WORSE THAN TO DENY KNOWN FACTS.ONLY THE OBEDIENT,THE CREDULOUS,THE CRINGERS,THE KNEELERS,THE MEEK,THE UNQUISTIONING,THE TRUE BELIEVERS,ARE REGARDED AS MORAL,AS VIRTUOUS.IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE HONEST,GENEROUS AND USEFUL,NOT ENOUGH TO BE GOVERNED BY EVIDENCE,BY FACTS.IN ADDITION TO THIS,YOU MUST BELIEVE.THESE THINGS ARE THE FOES OF MORALITY.THEY SUBVERT ALL NATURAL CONCEPTIONS OF VIRTUE.
ALL"INSPIRED BOOKS"TEACHING THAT ONLY THOSE WHO OBEY THE SUPERNATURAL ARE,OR CAN BE,TRULY VIRTUOUS,AND THAT UNQUISTIONING WILL BE REWARDED WITH ETERNAL JOY,ARE GROSSLY IMMORAL.

AGAIN I SAY:INTELLIGENCE IS THE ONLY MORAL GUIDE.

R.G.INGERSOLL
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«Reply #6 on: June 10, 2006, 12:08:45 AM »
hmmmmmm interesting guyz........
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«Reply #7 on: June 30, 2006, 01:25:58 PM »
thanx for viewing,few links:

subject:truth

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/truth.html

"the true man,when asked to believe,asks for evidence.the true man,who asks another to believe,offers evidence"    R.G.INGERSOLL FROM "TRUTH"
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«Reply #8 on: July 20, 2006, 07:18:36 PM »
SUPERNATURAL CURES OR MEDICINE CURES?
for many ages,man in all directions has relied upon and sincerely believed in,the existence of the supernatural.he did not believe in the uniformity of nature,he had no conception of cause and effect,of the indestructibility of force.in medicine he believed in charms,magic,amulets,and incantations.it never occoured to the savage that diseases are natural.
for many centuries his only conception of morality was the idea of obedience,not to facts as they exist in nature.during all these years religion consisted in the praise and worship of the invisible and infinite,of some vast and incomprehensible power,that is to say,of the supernatural.
by experience,by experiment,possibaly by accident,man found that some diseases could be cured by natural means;that he could be relieved in many instances of pain by cirtain kinds of leaves or bark.
this was the biginning.gradually his confidence increased in the direction of the natural,and began to decrease in charms and amulets,the war was waged for many centuris,but the natural gained the victory.now we know that charms,magic,amulets and incantations are just as useless in the practice of medicine as they would be in solving a problem in methematics.we now know thwt there are no supernatural remedies.

R.G.INGERSOLL
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