Let's Teach and Learn the Techniques of Shayari !

by deepika_divya on January 25, 2010, 02:03:40 PM
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deepika_divya
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«Reply #45 on: February 02, 2010, 11:48:47 AM »
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Well Yes Riyaz ji. I agree with you. Its good to reply but One should use their own words whenever they replies ... Coz every creation took time and poet or poetress write with their own feelings and by heart..

Its just not happen with me but I mean I received many PM regarding the same saying " Cara continuously destroying the  emotions by using their words in his reply"

As above Koyal also said ... I already send PM to him regarding the same but still the same thing is going on.

I Appreciate Cara for replying on each thread but as well as My request to him please try to use your own words...

I hope you will next time use your word and reply Usual Smile
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«Reply #46 on: February 02, 2010, 12:12:54 PM »
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SOPHI JI,KOYAL JI,AUR RIYAZ JI....

YE SAHI HAI MERI AADAT HAI ME EK LINE KISI KI LIKHI HUI POEM KI LETA HUN AUR EK LINE ME APNI JODTA HUN,THEEK HAI AGAR YE KISIKO PASAND NAHI HAI TOH ME AISA NAHI KARUNGA...
MERA KABHI BHI MAKSAD KISI KO NEECHA DIKHANE KA NAHI HOTA HAI.
AAP LOG KO AISA LAGTA HAI TOH THEEK HAI ME  AAGE SE AISA NAHI KARUNGA..
 AAP SAB SE REQUEST HAI MUJHE MAAF KAR DENA..
AUR RAHI AAJ KI BAAT JO MAINE SOPHI JI KI POST ME  REPLY DIYA HAI ME USKO DELETE KARTA HUN..
AUR USKE BADLE  ME KOI AUR REPLY DETA HUN...
                            SORRY AND THANKS
                                 cara.
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deepika_divya
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«Reply #47 on: February 02, 2010, 12:16:37 PM »
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SOPHI JI,KOYAL JI,AUR RIYAZ JI....

YE SAHI HAI MERI AADAT HAI ME EK LINE KISI KI LIKHI HUI POEM KI LETA HUN AUR EK LINE ME APNI JODTA HUN,THEEK HAI AGAR YE KISIKO PASAND NAHI HAI TOH ME AISA NAHI KARUNGA...
MERA KABHI BHI MAKSAD KISI KO NEECHA DIKHANE KA NAHI HOTA HAI.
AAP LOG KO AISA LAGTA HAI TOH THEEK HAI ME  AAGE SE AISA NAHI KARUNGA..
 AAP SAB SE REQUEST HAI MUJHE MAAF KAR DENA..
AUR RAHI AAJ KI BAAT JO MAINE SOPHI JI KI POST ME  REPLY DIYA HAI ME USKO DELETE KARTA HUN..
AUR USKE BADLE  ME KOI AUR REPLY DETA HUN...
                            SORRY AND THANKS
                                 cara.

Dont take it personally its just a suggest jo tumko aage kaam aayega aur jisse tum aur seekoge... bas isliye maine yea kaha ...

Sorry thank you wali baat nahi hai bas yea kehna hai khud se likhoge tabi ache shayar banoge aaj nahi tho kal . Hope ab tum apna reply apne sabdo se doge Usual Smile
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riyaz106
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«Reply #48 on: February 02, 2010, 12:24:37 PM »
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Dear Cara ji. Aapki baat se bahut khushi hui aur ye bhi saabit hua ke aap ek nek dil insaan hain. Kuchh member aise bhi hain jo sirf apni baat ko hi sahi mante hain aur bahas karte hain. Aapne sahi ko sahi mana aur doosre members ki feelings ka samman kiya, bahut achhi baat hai. Hamein ek dusrey ka khayaal rakhna hi chahiye.

Ab sabhi se nivedan hai ke usi previous dicussion par aa jayen yaani- Tukbandi, its uses, writing in meter etc. etc.
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KOYAL46
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«Reply #49 on: February 02, 2010, 01:59:48 PM »
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Aapne bataaya nahi what is writing in meter...?
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deepika_divya
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«Reply #50 on: February 02, 2010, 04:09:40 PM »
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Writing Meters in Poetry !

Its nothing but meant a lot ... its all about rhyming words which called meters or noice in poetry...

Noice means rhyming words with starts from begining to last...

For eg:- Love - dove ( In English) or  Aate - Jaate , Karte - Marte , Fisalte - Sambhalte .. etc etc...

This is Basic thing which help you learn the techniques of the poetry ...Which usually everyone uses.






 



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brokenbyluv
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«Reply #51 on: February 02, 2010, 06:17:56 PM »
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Sahi kaha sophiji...writtng meter poetry mein hona zaruri hai yahi asli lekhak ki pehchaan hai...aur main kya kahu yahan apne aur riyaz ji ne pehle hi itna kuch likh diya hai ki mujhe kuch aur likhne aur smjhane ki zarurat nhi hai...
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«Reply #52 on: February 03, 2010, 06:36:04 AM »
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What is the subject ? Please clear whether Meter writing in poetry or poetry writing in meter.
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deepika_divya
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«Reply #53 on: February 03, 2010, 12:11:19 PM »
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Thank you Kaash ji for explaining it More ...

Meter Mea bahoot Saari baatein aati hai .. 2 example Kaash ji de chuke hai

1) First line and second line contain equal words (noise)
2) But kafiya and radeef also kept in Mind while following Meter rule.

Rest Will be added soon with detail explanation...
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riyaz106
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«Reply #54 on: February 03, 2010, 12:14:11 PM »
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Well Koyal Ji and Sophi ji, Meter ke baare mein jo thoda bahut mein jaanta hun batata hun..

Meter English poetry likhne ka ek fixed style, pattern hai. This is a poetic measure: arrangement of words in regularly measured, patterned, or rhythmic lines or verses. Iske bahut saare type ho sakte hain jaise pentameter, dactlylic meter etc. The meter usually depends on acoustic properties of the spoken words, such as the length or stress of their syllables, independently of their meaning. The sound attributes that determine the meter may vary from language to language, and sometimes between poetic traditions.

Jis tarah English poetry mein meter hota hai usi tarah urdu poetry mein Behr hoti hai. Different languages hone ki wajah se dono ka tariqa alag alag ho sakta hain lekin maqsad ek hai. Hamein  kyonki Urdu-Hindi shayari se matlab hai isliye hum Behr ki baat karenge.
 
Urdu shayari ke hisaab se kisi ghazal ka behr mein hona compulsory hai warna wo ghazal nahi mani jati. Behr Urdu mein Arabi se aai hai aur iska bahut istemaal hota hai. Behren bahut qism ki hoti hain inke naam bhi hote hain jaise Ramal, Hajaz, Taweel, Khafif, Mutadarik and Wafir etc. Inme se 8-10 hi zyada istemaal hoti hain..

Iska tuk(kafia) se koi lena dena nahi hai. Koi do lines tuk mein nahin lekin wo behr mein ho sakti hain. Isi tarah do lines tuk mein hain, zaruri nahin wo behr mein bhi hon.Tuk ek alag matter hai.

Behr mein kuchh irkaan(factors, steps) hote hain jinse milkar ye banti hain.  Urdu na janne walon ko ye dusre dhang se samajhna jaa sakta hai. Hindi ke hisaab se kaha jaye to ye Matraon(Laghu-Guru) ka predefined order(sequence) hai jisko har line mein nibhana zaruri hai.
Iska bada fayeda ye hai ke koi bhi Musician iski asaani se dhun(tune) bana sakta hai. Zyadatar old hindi movie songs behr mein hain. Ab to pehle tune banti phir song writer song likhta tha pehle iska ulta hota tha.

Misaal ke taur par ek Behr ke irkaan dekhein

faa-i-lun   faa-i-lun  faa-i-lun  faa-i-lun

Is behr ka naam MUTADARIK hai, Hindi ke hisaab se agar maatraon - Laghu ko 1 aur Guru ko 2 likhen to ye is tarah hogi

212   212    212    212

Baaqi phir

Thanks.
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deepika_divya
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«Reply #55 on: February 03, 2010, 12:23:34 PM »
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Thank you so Much Riyaz ji for you contribution here and this really wonderful to learn new techniques of Meter Poerty or Meter in Poetry ...

We are waiting to learn more from you !
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«Reply #56 on: February 04, 2010, 10:00:19 AM »
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Pyaare dosto! Is section meiN aaya to aap logon se guftugu karne ko dil chaaha. KOYAL Sahiba k sher ko baDi khoobsurti k saath Janaab Riyaz Saheb ne bahr (meter) ki qaid meiN laakar sher meiN dobaalgi ata kar di. Riyaz Saheb ne badi tafseel se meter (bahr) k ramooz-o-nukaat samjhaaye. Sher kya hai, sher kise kahte haiN, isko samajhna bahut zaroori hai warna sirf jumloN k aakhri lafz ya kafiyoN ko badal dena hi sher nahiN hai. Sher kahne k qaide-qaanoon Mr Riyaz Saheb ne badi had tak samjha diye haiN. Is se ye ilm hua k sher ko hum-wazn likha jata hai jise urf-aam meiN chhand, bahr waghaira kahte haiN. Baghair chhand ya meter k koi bhi alfaazoN ka samooh sher nahiN kahlaayega. Ab aap KOYAL Saheba ka jo sher (Zamaana rokta to hai magar kab koi rukta hai…..Koi bhi apne guzre kal ko kaise bhool sakta hai) Janaab Riyaz Saheb ne durust kiya hai, use dekhiye, jiske arkaan haiN:

Mafayeelun……. Mafayeelun…. Mafayeelun…….. Mafayeelun

Ise number meiN yuN bhi samjha ja sakta hai:

1+2+2+2……....…..1+2+2+2……….......1+2+2+2………….....1+2+2+2

Ab KOYAL Sahiba k sher ko is tarah tauliye:

Za maa na ro…...k ta to hai……....ma gar kab ko….…yee ruk ta hai
Ko i bhi ap…..….ne guz re kal....ko kai se bhoo……l sak ta hai

Is tarah hum ne dekha k KOYAL Sahiba ka sher kaise durust hua. MaiN ye kahna zaroori samajhta hooN k koi bhi sher, ghazal waghaira aap kaheN to use muhalle k kisi maanind Shaayar, Kavi do dikhla deN, uske baad hi yahaN post kareN. Koi bhi Shaayar ya Kavi ise dekhne k baad aapko zaroori maalumaat baham pahuNcha sakta hai, warna puri zindagi be-masraf ki tukbandi karte hue guzar jaayegi jo siwaaye waqt ki barbaadi ke ilaawah kuchh bhi nahiN hai. Aur aakhir meiN chalte chalte aap sab se darkhwast hai k mujh se agar koi talkh-kalaami ho gayee ho to baraye mehrbaani maaf kijiyega.
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«Reply #57 on: February 04, 2010, 10:20:23 AM »
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Shukriya Waqif Sahab, is mehfil mein aakar aapne bahut bada kaam kiya hai aur hamaari hausla afazai ki hai. Maine Behr(Meter) ke baare mein apni qaleel malumaat ki bina par jo likha aapko sahi laga, zarra nawazi hai. Isme koi shak nahi ke baghair urooz yaani Behr yaani Meter ke urdu shayari mein kuchh bhi likha jaye wo bemazaa hai. Isse ek rawaangi, khoobsurati, flow paida hota hai. Behr ki hudood mein reh kar koi kitna khoobsurat likh sakta hai, ye apne apne takhayyul, presence of mind, wus-atey zehn par munahsir hai.

Aapse guzarish hai is silsile ko aage badhayen aur is topic par malumaat faraham karte rahen.
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«Reply #58 on: February 04, 2010, 10:54:02 AM »
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main bhi ek koshish karti hoon.

UNKE HAR EK ADAA BHI KITNA AJEEB HAI
JISSE CHAHE KARDE GHAYAL APNE NIGAHON SE
BAN SAWAR KE AATE HAI ISS MAHEFIL MEIN
KARKE GHAYAL CHALE JAATE HAI ISS MAHEFIL SE
UNKE HAR EK ADAAYE BHI KITNA AJEEB HAI

Sophi ji mujhe aap sabke help chaiye.
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deepika_divya
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«Reply #59 on: February 04, 2010, 11:08:16 AM »
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Shukria Ansari ji... Aapne yahan aakar behar urf meter ke baare mea hame aur jaankaari di ... aur aapke udahaaran se yea aur spast hua ki meter ka kya mayna hai kisi bhi sher ya ghazar mea ...

Jaisa Riyaz ji ne kaha aap yahan aa kar hame samaye samaye par aur bataye tho hum aur bahoot kuch seek sakte hai...

Yahan par sirf ak sher liya gaya.. agar aap Ya riyaz ji koi puri ghazal lekar samjaaye tho Bahoot acha hoga... Jisse Puri ghazal ke meter se wakif ho jayege...

Shukriya !
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