karm sarv pardhaan hai YA Karam sarv pardhaan hai

by Pooja on April 20, 2005, 07:41:43 PM
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This topic is more chat topic then shayari...but just want to start here and I will move this Under chit chat section.

please reply with your Views what do you think is more Imp. Karm or Dharm?
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«Reply #1 on: April 21, 2005, 07:32:47 AM »
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Karm and Dharm are not mutually exclusive terms...

In fact, Karm and its fruits are dependent on Dharm...

Dharm doesn't mean a religion or a sect...

Dharm means following one's duties.....e.g. the duty of young men and women is to take care of the elders, the duty of married man (woman) is not to look at other women (men) with lustful eyes, the duty of men is to give due respect to women, the duty of women is not to dress in a manner so as to incite passion in men, the duty of the common man is to speak the truth and lead a truthful life. the duty of parents is to take proper care of their children and not to leave them at the mercy of house-maids, the duty of a friend is to help his friend in times of need...

If Dharm is followed properly...the resulting Karm becomes good and the subject gets full rewards at the proper time...

If Dharm is not followed properly i.e. the subject fails to do his/her duty...the resulting Karm becomes bad and the subject gets sufferings and pain at the appointed time...

It is very simple...we receive what we give... :!:

Why is a red rose red :?:
Because it reflects the red color out of the various colors of the white sunlight falling on it and thereby becomes red...
The whole world is like that...what we are reaping is what we have sown...getting something for which we haven't made any effor is against the law of nature...

Kau na kou sukh dukh kar data, Nij krit karm bhog sab brhata
Karm pradhan visv rachi rakha, Jo jas karhin so tas ful chakha

(Ramcharitmanas, Ayodhyasopan)

Even though the corrupt, insensitive, cruel, murderers, criminals etc. seem to enjoy the best of the pleasures of the world...the truth is that they are only getting the fruits of their past good Karmas...when their good Karmas get exhausted, then their present bad Karmas will certainly put them in a deep state of misery and sufferings for a long, long time...

Hence, the wise should not doubt the law of Karm...
Upholding the Dharm or performance of one's duties is certainly difficult but it results in eternal bliss later...

(The problem now a days is everbody is interested in getting his/her rights and nobody wants to follow the duties...)
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«Reply #2 on: April 21, 2005, 04:42:31 PM »
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salaam pooja....hope u r fine and doing well...
u have asked about which one is more important either karm or dharm
see dharm have got two meaning as u may also know first is described by brother karan and the second meaning of dharm is religon so please clarify first that which one you want to discuss in this topic is that religion as compared to karm or duty as compared to karm as they are two different things......thanks ...salaam
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«Reply #3 on: April 22, 2005, 07:08:43 AM »
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Duniya ajab bazaar hay, kuch jins(vastu) yahan ki saath le
neki ka badla nek hay, bad se badi ki baat le
Kaatan kisi ko mat laga, go misse-gul(pushp ki tarah) fula hay tu
veh tere hak mein teer hay, kis baat bar jhula hay tu

shokhi sharafat makro-fun(dhokha) sabka basekha(ghar) hain yahan
jo jo dikhaya aur ko, veh khud bhi dekha hain yahan
khoti khari jo kuch kahi, tiska parekha(parakhna) hain yahan
jau jau par tulta hay mol, til til ka lekha hain yahan


tu aur ki tareef kar, tujhko sanakhvani(tareef) mile
kar mushkil aasaan auro ki, tujhko bhi aasani mile
tu aur ko mehmaan kar, tujhko bhi mehmaani mile
roti khila roti mile, paani pila paani mile

gaflat ki yeh jagah nahi, tu sahibe-edrak(jaldi samajhne wala) reh
dilshaad(prasannchit) rakh dilshaad reh, gamnaak rakh gamnaak reh
apne nafe ke vaaste, mat aur ka nuksaan kar
tera bhi nuksaan hovega, es baat bar tu dhyan kar


jo gul khilave aur ka uska he gul khilta bhi hay
jo aur ka keele hay muh, uska he muh kilta bhi hay
jo aur ka cheele jigar, uska jigar chilta bhi hay
jo aur ko deve kapat, usko kapat milta bhi hay

yahan jeher de to jeher le, shakkar mein shakkar dekh le
neko ko neki ka maza, muzi(satanewala) ko takkar dekh le
moti diye moti mile, pathar mein pathar dekh le
gar tujhko yeh baavar(vishvas) nahin, to tu bhi karke dekh le


jo chahe le chal is ghari, sab jins yahan teyar hay
aaraam mein aaraam hay, aazaar mein aazaar(dukh) hay
duniya na jaan isko miyaan, darya ki yeh majhdhaar hay
auroon ka bera paar kar, tera bhi bera paar hay
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«Reply #4 on: April 22, 2005, 07:57:14 PM »
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wah!!! wah!!! wah!!! Ati Sunder likha hai!!!

Jitana kiya, uatna hi paya
bhir kayun yah man bharmaya
milla saneh jo aoro se hai
kayun nahi apno se yah paya
yahi soch kar dharm ko dekha
usne sabko ek bataya
man nahi mane yah sab baty
kayun bhir in rishato ka phair banaya
Rishato ne hai dil ko dukhaya
dukh hai mohh maya ki chhaya
sabane mujko yahi batlaya
per inko chor jaau ab kahan
Dharam ne hi to rishato ka jaal banaya!!!
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«Reply #5 on: April 23, 2005, 11:49:59 AM »
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ve rishtain jo dukh dete hain  (same here, u hav got company)
purvjanam ke lendaar hain
unko unka rirn lene do
pravaadheen(shikayat rahit) jeevan behne do
samay dhara mein sab beet hay jata
jo aaj bura kal lagta pyara
sada samaan nahin kuch rehta
kaal chakra yun chalta rehta
es sukh-dukh rupi chakravyuh se, jo shighr bahar aano chaho
niz swaroop ko jaankar tum, janam-maran se mukti pao

Jab koi upaye samajh na aaye, tab ek he upaye hay...............Gurorupay...........go and find a Brahmgyani Guru..............

Go to Satsang.......

Its only in Satsang that you can find answers to all yr queries...........but don't expect instant results................you have to be patient for a long long time...........but what you will get instantly is peace of mind......

And if you cannot find a Guru, which is impossible unless u r not willing...........surrender totally at the feet of the Lord.........don't ask any questions, just accept everything as Divine Will........

Ab saump diya is jeevan ka sab bhar tumhare hathon mein
Ab jeet tumhare haathon mein aur haar tumhare hathon mein

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Mujhme tumme bas bhed yahi, main nar hoon tum narayan ho
Main hoon sansaar ke haathon mein, sansaar tumhare haathon mein

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(Pujya Pathikji Maharaj)
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«Reply #6 on: September 08, 2009, 05:22:46 PM »
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Karan.sri ji bahut detail mai bahut sunder vishlashan kiya hai aapne.....
 Applause Applause Applause
Vaise agar do line mai kahu tou....

Dharm aur karm ka chakkar bhi wahe purana hai
Pehle anda aaya ya murgi kisne jaana hai.....

Asal mai dono ek dusere k purak hai....
Ek he sikke k do pehlu hain....

Karm and Dharm are not mutually exclusive terms...

In fact, Karm and its fruits are dependent on Dharm...

Dharm doesn't mean a religion or a sect...

Dharm means following one's duties.....e.g. the duty of young men and women is to take care of the elders, the duty of married man (woman) is not to look at other women (men) with lustful eyes, the duty of men is to give due respect to women, the duty of women is not to dress in a manner so as to incite passion in men, the duty of the common man is to speak the truth and lead a truthful life. the duty of parents is to take proper care of their children and not to leave them at the mercy of house-maids, the duty of a friend is to help his friend in times of need...

If Dharm is followed properly...the resulting Karm becomes good and the subject gets full rewards at the proper time...

If Dharm is not followed properly i.e. the subject fails to do his/her duty...the resulting Karm becomes bad and the subject gets sufferings and pain at the appointed time...

It is very simple...we receive what we give... :!:

Why is a red rose red :?:
Because it reflects the red color out of the various colors of the white sunlight falling on it and thereby becomes red...
The whole world is like that...what we are reaping is what we have sown...getting something for which we haven't made any effor is against the law of nature...

Kau na kou sukh dukh kar data, Nij krit karm bhog sab brhata
Karm pradhan visv rachi rakha, Jo jas karhin so tas ful chakha

(Ramcharitmanas, Ayodhyasopan)

Even though the corrupt, insensitive, cruel, murderers, criminals etc. seem to enjoy the best of the pleasures of the world...the truth is that they are only getting the fruits of their past good Karmas...when their good Karmas get exhausted, then their present bad Karmas will certainly put them in a deep state of misery and sufferings for a long, long time...

Hence, the wise should not doubt the law of Karm...
Upholding the Dharm or performance of one's duties is certainly difficult but it results in eternal bliss later...

(The problem now a days is everbody is interested in getting his/her rights and nobody wants to follow the duties...)
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«Reply #7 on: September 17, 2009, 10:31:28 AM »
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Poojaji lagta hai dil ki teh se(bottam of the heart se) nikle udgaar hain aapke....
Apno k prati aapka rosh-aakrosh jhalak aaya hai in panktiyon mai....daad kabul kijeeye... Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley

EK alag soch mai kuchh lines likh raha hu...
Kya sahi hai kya nahi, ye vyakhya karna galat hoga...
Bhin-bhin drashtikon se ek he event ko dekha aur socha ja sakta hai...
Yahi hai sahi arthon mai "ANEKAANTVAAD" A JAIN philosophy... thought... propogated by" Lord Mahaveer " the 24th tirthankar of jainism.

Apno ki apekshaoon ko kab jaana hamne
Janm diya jinhone unka upkaar kab maana
Lena he unse, adhikaar apna jaana hamne
Kab deeya pyarr k badle pyarr unhe hamne

Jo mila sahaj janm se uska nahi mulya jaana
Un rishto k tyag ko hamne kab hai pehchana
Tol taraju bol tu, kya rishto ka dharm nibhaya
Dharm nahi karm ne he rishto ka jaal banaya

Baar-baar janm hota,chukane pishla bakaaya
Chahe wo phir pyarr ho, nafrat ho, ho maayaa
Is len-den ke chakkar ne dil ko bahut dukhaya
Kato sab karm k bandhan,ye dharm ne sikhaya


wah!!! wah!!! wah!!! Ati Sunder likha hai!!!

Jitana kiya, uatna hi paya
bhir kayun yah man bharmaya
milla saneh jo aoro se hai
kayun nahi apno se yah paya
yahi soch kar dharm ko dekha
usne sabko ek bataya
man nahi mane yah sab baty
kayun bhir in rishato ka phair banaya
Rishato ne hai dil ko dukhaya
dukh hai mohh maya ki chhaya
sabane mujko yahi batlaya
per inko chor jaau ab kahan
Dharam ne hi to rishato ka jaal banaya!!!
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«Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 04:05:41 AM »
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Poojaji lagta hai dil ki teh se(bottam of the heart se) nikle udgaar hain aapke....
Apno k prati aapka rosh-aakrosh jhalak aaya hai in panktiyon mai....daad kabul kijeeye... Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley

EK alag soch mai kuchh lines likh raha hu...
Kya sahi hai kya nahi, ye vyakhya karna galat hoga...
Bhin-bhin drashtikon se ek he event ko dekha aur socha ja sakta hai...
Yahi hai sahi arthon mai "ANEKAANTVAAD" A JAIN philosophy... thought... propogated by" Lord Mahaveer " the 24th tirthankar of jainism.

Apno ki apekshaoon ko kab jaana hamne
Janm diya jinhone unka upkaar kab maana
Lena he unse, adhikaar apna jaana hamne
Kab deeya pyarr k badle pyarr unhe hamne

Jo mila sahaj janm se uska nahi mulya jaana
Un rishto k tyag ko hamne kab hai pehchana
Tol taraju bol tu, kya rishto ka dharm nibhaya
Dharm nahi karm ne he rishto ka jaal banaya

Baar-baar janm hota,chukane pishla bakaaya
Chahe wo phir pyarr ho, nafrat ho, ho maayaa
Is len-den ke chakkar ne dil ko bahut dukhaya
Kato sab karm k bandhan,ye dharm ne sikhaya



 Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley Clapping Smiley wah wah wah kaya baat hai.... bahoot khoob smardia ji.... bahoot khoob!!
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«Reply #9 on: September 19, 2009, 04:34:26 AM »
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Karm and Dharm are not mutually exclusive terms...

In fact, Karm and its fruits are dependent on Dharm...

Dharm doesn't mean a religion or a sect...

Dharm means following one's duties.....e.g. the duty of young men and women is to take care of the elders, the duty of married man (woman) is not to look at other women (men) with lustful eyes, the duty of men is to give due respect to women, the duty of women is not to dress in a manner so as to incite passion in men, the duty of the common man is to speak the truth and lead a truthful life. the duty of parents is to take proper care of their children and not to leave them at the mercy of house-maids, the duty of a friend is to help his friend in times of need...

If Dharm is followed properly...the resulting Karm becomes good and the subject gets full rewards at the proper time...

If Dharm is not followed properly i.e. the subject fails to do his/her duty...the resulting Karm becomes bad and the subject gets sufferings and pain at the appointed time...

It is very simple...we receive what we give... :!:

Why is a red rose red :?:
Because it reflects the red color out of the various colors of the white sunlight falling on it and thereby becomes red...
The whole world is like that...what we are reaping is what we have sown...getting something for which we haven't made any effor is against the law of nature...

Kau na kou sukh dukh kar data, Nij krit karm bhog sab brhata
Karm pradhan visv rachi rakha, Jo jas karhin so tas ful chakha

(Ramcharitmanas, Ayodhyasopan)

Even though the corrupt, insensitive, cruel, murderers, criminals etc. seem to enjoy the best of the pleasures of the world...the truth is that they are only getting the fruits of their past good Karmas...when their good Karmas get exhausted, then their present bad Karmas will certainly put them in a deep state of misery and sufferings for a long, long time...

Hence, the wise should not doubt the law of Karm...
Upholding the Dharm or performance of one's duties is certainly difficult but it results in eternal bliss later...

(The problem now a days is everbody is interested in getting his/her rights and nobody wants to follow the duties...)

well Very Detailed explainaton.. Its clears all doubts regarding Dharam and karan.. Good work and thanks for sharing Karan
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«Reply #10 on: September 19, 2009, 04:36:37 AM »
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wah!!! wah!!! wah!!! Ati Sunder likha hai!!!

Jitana kiya, uatna hi paya
bhir kayun yah man bharmaya
milla saneh jo aoro se hai
kayun nahi apno se yah paya
yahi soch kar dharm ko dekha
usne sabko ek bataya
man nahi mane yah sab baty
kayun bhir in rishato ka phair banaya
Rishato ne hai dil ko dukhaya
dukh hai mohh maya ki chhaya
sabane mujko yahi batlaya
per inko chor jaau ab kahan
Dharam ne hi to rishato ka jaal banaya!!!


Ji bilkul sahi likha hai Pooja di.. Bahoot Bahoot Khoob !
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