Scientists and God

by Karan.sri on March 10, 2006, 02:19:57 PM
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If a person is a scientist, doesn’t mean that whatever he says is right and whatever others’ say is wrong. All scientists are not the same.

Just as there are pseudo gurus, there are pseudo scientists also.

A true scientist is one, who is not rigid in outlook, and who accepts graciously what he sees and observes…

A pseudo scientist is one, who has already formed his opinion and is just looking for material to support his theory. These types of scientists would just neglect all other observations, which might be hindrance in support of their theory.

Unfortunately, number of pseudo scientists is much more than the number of true scientists to let the truth come out.

There is a book, ‘Walking with a Himalayan Master’ by Dr. Justin O’ Brien published by Rupa & Co. In that book, in the last chapter is written the name of a scientist who got the Noble prize [I don’t remember, for what?] and he proved that God does not exist. When asked how he came to that conclusion, he said that he simply neglected all those things that pointed to the presence of an intelligent creator of the Universe. Most of the scientists are like him. They just want to make a name for themselves by bringing in some interesting theory. [Kindly read the post ‘Parable of the Cunning Man and Four Fools’ in the Inspirational Forum]

Although there can never be a solid proof for the existence of God but there are solid observations that point to the existence of God. It is just that the scientists do not want those observations to see daylight. Swami Ram lived for about 12 years in America. He set up an Institute in Honesdale, Pennsylvania. While in America, he offered himself a number of times to the scientists to perform experiment on him and the results were astounding. But very few people know about those tests because scientists never wanted those experiments to go public. If scientists don’t want to give up their rigidity, what could anyone do about it?

If you want to know more about Swami Ram, you need to read his literature. I can’t write everything here, as I don’t find much time.

And God Himself sends proof of His existence from time to time. But if someone does not want to understand, what can anyone do? There was one incident of Lord Ganesh drinking milk in the year 1995? But scientists dismissed it as capillary action. If that was capillary action, why that capillary action does not happen every day? Has anyone got an answer?

And yes, on seeing litres of milk going waste, many people said ki bhagwan ko doodh pilane ke kya zarurat hay. Itne sare garib log bhukhe marr rahe hain, unko doodh pila dete. Arey, agar garibon ke liye logo ke dil mein itna he dard tha, to apna ek time ka khana unhe khila dete. Ek time khana nahi khane se dukhi logo ke himayti bankar apna naam karne wale log marr nahi jate. Bhagwan kaun sa roz roz doodh pite hain? Aur ab un sab logo ko kya dukhi logo ka dard nahi dikhayi deta. Ab to bhagwan doodh nahi pite. Ab kyon nahi dukhi bachcho ko vo log doodh pilate hain?

There was one British journalist, Paul Brunton, who visited India in the pre-Independence era. It is my sincere advice to the readers of this post to read his book. I do not remember the name of that book exactly. But as far as I remember, the name of the book is ‘A Search in Mystic India’. Very interesting book. I haven’t read it yet. Because, somehow I am not able to get it. But I have read about the book and the author Paul Brunton in other books. Paul Brunton met a sage named Sri Vishuddhanandji, who had a very learned disciple, Pandit Gopinath Kaviraj. Sri Vishuddhanandji used to perform some interesting experiments with the help of a lens using the rays of Sun. To mortal eyes, they looked like miracles. But, Vishuddhanandji said that they were not miracles but result of Solar Science [Surya Vigyan], about which the sages of ancient India knew very well. He got the knowledge of that science from Gyanganj, a mystic place in Tibet. No one can see Gyanganj with his mortal eyes unless the sages of that place decide to make themselves seen by ordinary people.

There is so much interesting in this world. We just need to give up our rigid outlook towards life to be able to see and understand the subtle things of life.

If someone is really curious to know about God, then he has to stop arguing and start reading. With reading, comes understanding about the nature of God. God’s nature is very different from what common people think about Him.

Then slowly, as the curiosity develops, the person should start associating himself/herself with the wise people. It is also essential to take proper care of food. With association of wise and purity of food, the mind becomes subtle. The subtle body begins to become pure and the subtle truths begin to reveal themselves.

Wish you all a happy journey on the path of spirituality,

God bless all !
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«Reply #1 on: March 11, 2006, 12:43:23 PM »
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god is still drinking the milk just try to do in tempal,we do it before others almost once in a month to prove it but we dont do it in tamples and do it before the crowd in open just as prof:yashpal has done it on that eve on doordarshan."india today" has printed a report on their book named"andhwishwaas par pari doodh ki maar"is worth reading to know the truth.

agar saara doodh bhagwaan pee rahe the to naaliyon main kahan se aa raha tha maaloom nahin?

our socity do the same miracles which is done by others  before everyone to educate people about the truth.it is a open challange to all the saints to do miraculas before the socity and anyone can get rs 200000 and use it for spirictual benifit and our socity will close thier office for ever.to know the terms log on to www.tarksheel.com

if anyone dont give the chance to inwestigate is a liar.give a chance to investigate before others.no one has won the prize till yet.its an open challange for everyone.we are not regid,if it is proved we will agree.....
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«Reply #2 on: March 12, 2006, 04:39:17 AM »
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ranjeetji, i had written many things in the post...perhaps u read only that which you wanted to read and not what more u should have read...
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«Reply #3 on: March 16, 2006, 02:31:49 AM »
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our socity do the same miracles which is done by others  before everyone to educate people about the truth.it is a open challange to all the saints to do miraculas before the socity and anyone can get rs 200000 and use it for spirictual benifit and our socity will close thier office for ever.to know the terms log on to www.tarksheel.com

if anyone dont give the chance to inwestigate is a liar.give a chance to investigate before others.no one has won the prize till yet.its an open challange for everyone.we are not regid,if it is proved we will agree.....


Ranjeetji, its a foolish challenge...

Because those who are fake would never accept your challenge...

And those who are genuine, why would they accept your challenge? They can give you Rs.200000 in donation. This amount of money or any amount of money does not matter to them at all. They can do whatever they want to do using their miraculous powers. Its upto u to believe or live in ignorance.
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«Reply #4 on: March 16, 2006, 06:54:04 AM »
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actually in my view genuine saints does not believe in miracles.it is the followers who make fake stories about them and make religious places if u read the litrature of guru nanak,kabir,dayanand saraswati,vivekanand they all believe that god do the work by natural way.they all condemn the miracles in their letrature and their autobiographies written by their followers does not match with their rational veiws.but its an other story........

actually if anyone has a miraculas power why he does not give the chance to verify it before others as it will make so many thiests (almost crores)and all will believe in god.if money does not matter for him atleast they should prove what they say......

if they are not giving us the chance to verify then they are making us fool and if we prepare to belive without verification then we are the fools and if we have no courage to verify we are cowards......

and about the other things i have not read the books written in ur post yet.how can i reply............but i agree that ancient indians are very knowledgable persons.some knowledge is still relevent and some are not relevent in modern time.
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«Reply #5 on: March 17, 2006, 03:37:46 PM »
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bhagat singh was just 23 years old at the time of his death...moreover he had read books of only few authors...how could you expect him to have a realistic knowledge...he knew only that what he wanted to know and nothing else...
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«Reply #6 on: March 18, 2006, 12:31:06 AM »
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good discussion!!! thanks for sharing your knowledge here!!!
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«Reply #7 on: March 20, 2006, 03:59:06 PM »
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glad u like it Poojaji! I wud appreciate if you cud write your views also...
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«Reply #8 on: March 21, 2006, 12:54:13 PM »
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karan ji,
   you have already written in your post that age does not matter,experiense matters.baaki it was only a signature and i have changed it and taken the view of aged person in my signature now.
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«Reply #9 on: March 21, 2006, 03:23:09 PM »
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thanks Karan, meri knowledge dono side se hi adhoori hai. mai bhagwaan mai vishawaas karati hu magar blindly nahi. mai manati hu ki kahin kuch hai jo maine mehsoos kiya. magar wo mera khud ka experience hai, mai kisi ko dikha ya samjha nahi sakti.
Doosry taraf Ranjeet ki likhi baaty bhi bahoot impress kar rahi hai aor inme logic bhi hai.

mai yahan per khud ko unfit samjhati hu. magar yah topic bahoot hi acha aor interesting hai. mai yahan sirf iss liye likh kar jaati hu taki app dono ko pata chale ki yahan per akar koi parr kar gaya hai. sirf app dono hi nahi likh rahe yahan per Usual Smile
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