Why poetry is secondary over Yoindia ?Who is at fault ?

by Ricky on November 07, 2008, 05:53:18 PM
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«Reply #15 on: November 08, 2008, 06:17:44 PM »
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Sabse Pehle To Yeh baat kehna zaroori hai ki 

yoindia ki yehi khaas baat hai ki yahan har ek poetry jo post hoti hai,
padhi jaati hai..

varna aise kai sites hai jahan par poetries post bhi hoti hai to padhne wale
bahut kam hote hai.. Aur baat rahi replies ki yeh baat to natural hai ki agar poetry pasand aaye to uss poetry ko reply to zaroor milegi..

 Ricky ji aapne jo sawaal uthaya hai, main aapko sirf itna keh sakta hoon, ke kai baar aisa hota hai ke hum kuch likhte hai par humein uss par bahut kam replies aate hai..iss baat par niraash ho jaana, Galat hoga!!!

Baaki maine har ek ko yahan par  regularly ek dusre ko reply karte dekha hai...

isliye mujhe to personally yoindia ya yoindia ke members se koi shikayat nahi.. Thumbs UP





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«Reply #16 on: November 08, 2008, 06:31:57 PM »
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Bhai aisa nahi kehte. Yahan bahut se log hai jo jab waqt milta tab aate hai. Aap unka purane kalam padna aur yeh bahut bahut purane member hai. Inhe istarah kuch kehna mujhe accha nahi
lag raha hai. ricky ji ne overall kaha hai. unhone kahi
yeh nahi kaha hai ke mera likha kisi ne pada nahi.
Ishq section mein aap dekhoge toh pata chalega ke kitna
posts ka koyi bi reply nahi hota kya iske liye sirf ricky
jimmedar hai? Plz koyi kuch subject utaye toh unhe harsh
reply na de toh accha hai.
pyari sonia,
sawal yahan ye nahi ki wo kitne purane member hain sawal ye hai ki inhe reply na dene par dukh hai.....to mai sirf ye kah raha hun ki ye khud dusre logon ko kitna reply dete hain....
aur ye bilkul sach hai ki kahin bhi kisi poetry par koi reply nahi aata to rikcy ji jaise log jo khudgarzy ki had tak swarthy hain jimmedaar hain kyunki ye khud ki poetry pe reply na aane par to "YOINDIA" jaisi paak jagah pe bhi sawal utha dete hain lekin khud ko dekhte nahi yahi dukh hai mera yahi gum hai isiliye mujhe ye sab likhna pad raha hai...umeed hai tum samajh gayi hogi
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«Reply #17 on: November 08, 2008, 06:50:01 PM »
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I don't think it will be fair enough me saying anythign over here but still am saying on the basis of what i saw over here and i totally agree that groupism does exist on Yoindia. It's very sad to say so but it's fact.
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«Reply #18 on: November 08, 2008, 07:40:01 PM »
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Recently I made a most which ultimately led me to make this post here, actually the text you see below is part of that post which is splitted.

This is very sad to see that only those people bothers to read and replies on Yoindia if they they are familiar with author.  This means if there is a new person on Yoindia then hardly people will see his poetry because they don't know him. May be my work is not a quality work then at least give negative comments. I already said so that all negative or positive comments are welcome.

It is really disheartening, it just means that first I have to make friends on Yoindia and then only I should write here otherwise no one cares about your poetic work. I used to think that Yoindia is a place where people comes together who are somewhere poetic in nature or share same cause ie. Poetry but it appears its just a small scale social networking place where poetry is secondary. So its just dilemma for being poetry main concern over Yoinida.

I think it will be better if we turn Yoindia into some friendship and dating site then in that condition it won't look bad if poetry is considered secondary.

Lets see how many will dare to give their real opinion after reading it, I guess again it will be Celmira, Mayiha and Pooja ji only because only they are familiar to me on Yoindia so called Shayariadab, hence rest one can understand!


Ricky ji,

Aapki post padhi.Baaki replies bhee padhe.Kuch vichaar mein bhee yahan share karna chahunga jo aapki post se ubhar paaye hein.

Sabse pehle aapki post ek general post nahi lagti,yahaan aapne apni creation ka zikr bhee kiya hein-yaani aapka yeh mudda jo aapne uthaaya hein kaafi kuch personal hein.
Ricky ji-Taareef maang ke to nahi li jaati-aap jaise itne puraane yo member ko yadi yeh baat samjhaani pade to dukhdaayi hein.aur yakeenan hazaaron rachnaaye yo india pur janmi hein jinhe utna samman nahi mila jitni kshamtaaye woh rakhti thee-tub bhee poetry ki yeh prishtbhumi poetry ka hi main focus lekar nirantar aage badhti rahi to aaj achaanak yeh dating ya friendship site mein tabdeel karne ka vyangya baan jo aapne chora hein kahi se bhee vyanga na lug kar uphaas lagta hein un logon ki garima pur jinhone apna sarvasva dekar bhee koi shikayat nahi ki.
Tabdeel bhee karna hein agar naam to isey koi tension site ka naam dekar karne ka prayatn kare-kyonki mein yeh mehsoos kar raha hu-pichle kuch samay se bahut choti choti baaton ka batangad bana kar-khud ko limelight me laane ka prayas kayi log karte nazar aate hein.Mera yeh maan-na hein ki har vyakti apni zindgi ki zaddojehad mein uljha hua yahaan kuch sakon paane ke liye aata hein...kuch kshan khud ke saath bitaane ke liye...apni ruchi anusaar karne ke liye....pur agar yahaan bhee agar tensions he janmengi to fir roz ki zindgi kya buri hein...

Aur rahi baat negative coments dene ki-wahaan bhee bilkul asahmati hein meri-kyonki hur vyakti ko apni ruchi aur sthiti ke anusaar rachna acchi athva saadharan lug sakti hein..negative coments dekar aap kisi ki bhaavnao ko thes pahuchao..yeh to koi samajhdaari ka vishay nahi,kadaapi nahi.
Chahe bade se bada fnakaar ho...hur kisi ko aasha hoti he acchi rachna pur taaref ke bol sun-ne ki pur kya taareef bheek ki tarah maangi jaati hein?
acchi rachna pur zaroor do pyaar ke shabd rachna-kaar ke liye likhne chaahiye-pur yeh koi bandhan nahi aur zabardasti bhee nahi ho sakti.Aapne bahut agressive tareeke se jo likha hein-woh kashtdaayak hein parantu aapka purpose solve hota nazar aata hein...aapki rachna pur replies kum aaye honge aapki debate pur bharpoor aa rahe hein!!
Aur aapne jo likha hein- 'lets see how many will dare to reply' badi hi galat bhaasha ka prayog hein...kyonki aisi koi compulsion kahi pur bhee nahi laagu hoti.

Kher,aapki in baaton pur tark baht ho sakta hein parantu bhetar yeh hoga ki maahol kuch thanda pade aur aapko apne uthaaya mudda gair-vaajib lage tabhee kuch saarthakta hogi.

kisi ko bhee meri baaton se thes pahuchi ho to mein mun aur vachan se kshmaprarthi hu.

Prateek

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«Reply #19 on: November 08, 2008, 07:48:02 PM »
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Ricky ji,

Aapki post padhi.Baaki replies bhee padhe.Kuch vichaar mein bhee yahan share karna chahunga jo aapki post se ubhar paaye hein.

Sabse pehle aapki post ek general post nahi lagti,yahaan aapne apni creation ka zikr bhee kiya hein-yaani aapka yeh mudda jo aapne uthaaya hein kaafi kuch personal hein.
Ricky ji-Taareef maang ke to nahi li jaati-aap jaise itne puraane yo member ko yadi yeh baat samjhaani pade to dukhdaayi hein.aur yakeenan hazaaron rachnaaye yo india pur janmi hein jinhe utna samman nahi mila jitni kshamtaaye woh rakhti thee-tub bhee poetry ki yeh prishtbhumi poetry ka hi main focus lekar nirantar aage badhti rahi to aaj achaanak yeh dating ya friendship site mein tabdeel karne ka vyangya baan jo aapne chora hein kahi se bhee vyanga na lug kar uphaas lagta hein un logon ki garima pur jinhone apna sarvasva dekar bhee koi shikayat nahi ki.
Tabdeel bhee karna hein agar naam to isey koi tension site ka naam dekar karne ka prayatn kare-kyonki mein yeh mehsoos kar raha hu-pichle kuch samay se bahut choti choti baaton ka batangad bana kar-khud ko limelight me laane ka prayas kayi log karte nazar aate hein.Mera yeh maan-na hein ki har vyakti apni zindgi ki zaddojehad mein uljha hua yahaan kuch sakon paane ke liye aata hein...kuch kshan khud ke saath bitaane ke liye...apni ruchi anusaar karne ke liye....pur agar yahaan bhee agar tensions he janmengi to fir roz ki zindgi kya buri hein...

Aur rahi baat negative coments dene ki-wahaan bhee bilkul asahmati hein meri-kyonki hur vyakti ko apni ruchi aur sthiti ke anusaar rachna acchi athva saadharan lug sakti hein..negative coments dekar aap kisi ki bhaavnao ko thes pahuchao..yeh to koi samajhdaari ka vishay nahi,kadaapi nahi.
Chahe bade se bada fnakaar ho...hur kisi ko aasha hoti he acchi rachna pur taaref ke bol sun-ne ki pur kya taareef bheek ki tarah maangi jaati hein?
acchi rachna pur zaroor do pyaar ke shabd rachna-kaar ke liye likhne chaahiye-pur yeh koi bandhan nahi aur zabardasti bhee nahi ho sakti.Aapne bahut agressive tareeke se jo likha hein-woh kashtdaayak hein parantu aapka purpose solve hota nazar aata hein...aapki rachna pur replies kum aaye honge aapki debate pur bharpoor aa rahe hein!!
Aur aapne jo likha hein- 'lets see how many will dare to reply' badi hi galat bhaasha ka prayog hein...kyonki aisi koi compulsion kahi pur bhee nahi laagu hoti.

Kher,aapki in baaton pur tark baht ho sakta hein parantu bhetar yeh hoga ki maahol kuch thanda pade aur aapko apne uthaaya mudda gair-vaajib lage tabhee kuch saarthakta hogi.

kisi ko bhee meri baaton se thes pahuchi ho to mein mun aur vachan se kshmaprarthi hu.

Prateek



Bahut Sahi kahan aapne prattekji..

har ek baat ka aapne bahut achi soch aur samajdaari se jawaab diya...
aapki kahin har ek Baat Sach hai.
Shayad  isse behtar jawaab na thaa is sawaal par...
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«Reply #20 on: November 08, 2008, 09:15:47 PM »
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SAB SE PAHLE HUM MAAFI CHAHENGE HAR SHKS SE JO YOINDIA KA MEMBER HAI AUR NAHI.MERE NEECHE LIKHE JAANE WAALI BAATON MEIN AGAR AAP SAB KO KUCHH BHI KHARAAB LAGE TO MAAF KARIYEGA.


HUME ABHI ZYADA SAMAY NAHI HUA YOINDIA PE AUR HUM REGULAR POST NAHI KAR PAATE. YE JO FRIENDSHIP AUR DATING KI BAAT SAAMNE AA RAHI HAI YE KUCHH GALAT HAI YOINDIA SE JUDNE WAALE LOG AGAR CHAHTE TO WO KISI BHI AUR FRIENDSHIP AUR DATING KI WEBSITES PAR JAA SAKTE THE ISKE LIYE YOINDIA KI ZAROORAT NAHI THI PAR ISKI NEEV KISI AUR HI MAQSAD SE PADI AUR YAHAN LOG KISI AUR HI MAQSAD SE JUDTE HAIN SHAYAD WO POETRY SE PYAAR KARTE HAIN AUR POETS KA SAMMAAN KARTE HAIN. AUR AGAR BAAT HAI KISI KO REPLY KARNE KI TO YOINDIA PAR 26000+ MEMBERS HAIN AGAR HUM INSE UMEED KAREIN KI YE 26000+ COMMENTS HUME MILEIN TO YE SAMBHAV NAHI HAI. HAR KOI APNI ALAG SOCH AUR SAMAJH KE SAATH APNI ZINDGI KE FAISLE LETA HAI AUR DUNIYA KE SAARE SHAKS EK JAISE NAHI HOTE, BAAT SWABHIMAAN KI TAB AATI HAI JAB KISI SHKS KO USKE KUCHH CHUNE HUE LOGON SE REPLY NA MILEIN. HUME NAHI LAGTA KI KOI BHI IN 26000+ SE REPLY KI UMMEED KAR RAHA HOGA AUR INSE SHIKAYAT KARTA HOGA. HUMNE TO HUMESHA ACHCHI POETRY PAR REPLY HOTE DIKHE HAIN BHAI, HUM BHI KABHI NAYE AAYE PAAR REPLY KI KAMI NAHI THI AUR AB BHI NAHI DIKHTI. REPLY KITNE MILTE HAIN YE DEKH KAR KOI POST NAI KARTA YE TO APNE YA KISI AUR POET KE JAZBAATON KI KEEMAT LAGANE JAISA HOTA HAI AUR AGAR KOI KUCHH POST KARTA HAI TO WO USKE LIYE IS SAARI DUNIYA KE REPLY MIL JAANE SE BHI JYAADA MAYNE RAKHTA HAI. KUCHH LOG KHUSHIYON AUR NAKHUSHI KO BATA KAR BAYAAN KARTE HAIN KUCHH MUSKURA KAR YA GAMBHEER HOKAR. PAR YE MUDDA YAHAN NAHI UTHNA CHAAYIYE THA. KABHI KABHI HUM BURAIYON KO BATAATE HUE ACHCHHAIYAN KYA HOTI HAIN YE BATATE HAIN, ISME HUM HAR SHKS KO BURAIYAAN KAISE KI JA SAKTI HAIN YE BHI BATA JAATE HAIN.

HUMARI IN BAATON SE AAP LOGON KE DIL KO AGAR THES PAHUNCHEE HO TO MAAF KAR DIJIYEGA.

BAAKI! AISA KUCHH NAHI HAI BHAI, SAB THEEK HAI, DIL SE SAARE SHIKVE NIKAAL DIJIYE SAB EK DUSRE KE SAATH HAIN KOI ALAG NAHI HAI AUR HUMESHA NAYE AANE WAALON KA SWAGAT, TAAREEF AUR HAUSLAAFZAYI MILKAR KARTE HAIN AUR FIR WO BHI ISI KA HI HISSA HO JATE HAIN.
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«Reply #21 on: November 09, 2008, 01:29:03 AM »
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Dear Members
I think the topic raised by Ricky is correct and senior members should share their experience on this topic within friendly atmosphere.
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«Reply #22 on: November 09, 2008, 02:26:38 AM »
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pyari sonia,
sawal yahan ye nahi ki wo kitne purane member hain sawal ye hai ki inhe reply na dene par dukh hai.....to mai sirf ye kah raha hun ki ye khud dusre logon ko kitna reply dete hain....
aur ye bilkul sach hai ki kahin bhi kisi poetry par koi reply nahi aata to rikcy ji jaise log jo khudgarzy ki had tak swarthy hain jimmedaar hain kyunki ye khud ki poetry pe reply na aane par to "YOINDIA" jaisi paak jagah pe bhi sawal utha dete hain lekin khud ko dekhte nahi yahi dukh hai mera yahi gum hai isiliye mujhe ye sab likhna pad raha hai...umeed hai tum samajh gayi hogi

Abhi b aapne Ricky ji ke liye galat hi socha hai. Yeh topic
koyi personal nahi hai. Inhone overall mudde per kaha hai bhai.

Mai pradeek ji ka likha comments b pada aur mai bahut khush
huyi ke unhone bahut sahi samja hai.

Koyi likha hua poem/shayri kitne log pade aur wah wah kiya
yeh likhne wale nahi dekhte hai. Sirf apna creation kin kin
ke dil pe ghar banaya aur kitna safal huwe yahi dekhte hai.

Bhai maff karna aapka likha mujhe pasand nahi aaya.
Rickyji ko fikr thi ke YoIndia poetry ko badawa de nahi
rahe hai (aisa unhe laga).. Isliye yeh thread open kiya.

Sorry dear Sanjeev Bhaiya fir kehti hu aapne Ricky ji ko
bahut rude reply diya hai.


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«Reply #23 on: November 09, 2008, 05:27:24 AM »
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I expected that people will reply only after reading and understanding it properly but seems that most of the replies / views are biased here. First of all, if not cleared to all..
a. This topic is not to get myself in limelight over Yoindia (as someone pointed out)

b. This topic is not created because my work did not get proper attention but it was created as I was noticing same with work of many other people and specially new but when I wrote a poem after a long time and shared over here then I found that I was correct that poems of relatively new and unknown members are not being praised as they used to be. Hence I decided to raise this over here.

c. Kindly understand that its not issue about my inactivity. I am strongly against idea that if one who is not regular then can not raise any topic here. It is really sad to know that main cause of the topic was diverted by few and many other followed same idea blindly.I need to remind that I started this topic in order to remind people about ignorance towards work of new members.


Clearly from discussion over here people want to convey that I need to be regular otherwise I should not post or else (as I said) will not get much attention. And this is what I am talking about that we should not follow such tradition.

Also, I will not call it groupism but its a  on going trend on Yoindia and we should get out of it. There are around 10-20 new posts on Yoindia and among them 40%-60% are shared work and other general threads hence only half of the post are original work, so whenever you visit  Yoindia with time in hand then giving reply on those 5-6 latest poem is not hard. Ofcourse this do not applies on people who are busy in their life and visit Yoindia just to see what is new.

Good work always get its part of appreciation, well then I do not agree this atleast on Yoindia, many times I saw many good poems getting buried in pile of newer but less creative work. I can give several example and I even saw few people removing their posts as they did not get attention at all. I will not name them but those people includes even senior members of Yoindia and I guess they will now understand what I am talking about.

Someone pointed out that my words were aggressive and did not look good, then I will answer that someone has to raise it. I see that many time if there is any conflict or issue over Yoindia then many people will not go against as they are friend of the person who raised it or is reason for it, even though he is wrong.

And about giving negative comments, is it so hard that I need to explain everything ? Well, should give negative but not as taunt, if there is any flaw in poem of a new poet or any poet or you want to suggest some correction then should be in friendly way and if you think that it can be harsh then send suggestion via PM. Hence we should give comment on all poem which we read. Giving friendly advice is not hard.

In the last, I will remind people that this discussion was going in one of my poem thread but I removed it from there as I do not my that poem to get extra attention due to this discussion. Is it hard to understand ? But I think yes its hard to understand for many that this debate was not to limelight any of my poem otherwise I would have not separated it from that poem.

And if I am Swarthy - Selfish then would have never started this thread and instead should have followed my own guidelines so that I can attract more replies to my poem. So I request that before making comment people should consider all facts otherwise it leaves bad impression.

Just to remind once again, I asked people to give their real views but seems many just followed few biased views given by some members.

I hope after this discussion work of new people will get more attention irrespective their activity or availability on Yoindia Shayariadab.

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«Reply #24 on: November 09, 2008, 09:27:56 AM »
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Dear Sajid, its not my personal issue, whatever I am talking is for the benefit of new ones and above all its not something useless, its a fact and one can't deny it.

Clearly you gave your view previously without considering all the facts, since you opposed it earlier now its hard for you to change your views ie. now you have to defend your previous views and in the end, though now you find it OK but you can't agree else it will question your previous decision.

So if you are not able to make up your mind in single and right direction then I request, atleast do not discourage people to cast their views here.!
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«Reply #25 on: November 09, 2008, 09:57:02 AM »
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Ricky ji!
I'm also new to yoindia! I promise you that I'll try to read more poems and give suitable comments where necessary. My eyes don't permit me to expose them for much longer times, that's the problem. And, also, if I'll read a lot more, my poetic compositions will suffer adversely.
Please close this topic, as it has already initiated a lot of 'brain-storming'. Let's watch the out-comes now. PLEASE! Thanks!!!
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«Reply #26 on: November 09, 2008, 03:36:29 PM »
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Dear Abd ji,
I never said that we are bound to read all and comment all, I just want that there should be no disparity and equal preference should be given to all poems.
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«Reply #27 on: November 09, 2008, 05:42:31 PM »
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Ricky ji!
Okay! Now let's watch and see the improvement(?). Thanks!
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«Reply #28 on: November 09, 2008, 06:25:53 PM »
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AAJ DOST SE DOST KI JUDAAI KA, KUCHH LAG RAHA DAR HAI,
RISHTE TOOT JAAYEIN TOOFAAN ITNA TO NAHI, TOOFAAN BADH RAHA MAGAR HAI.


 happy3 I'LL TRY TO GIVE MY BEST FOR ALL. happy3

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«Reply #29 on: November 09, 2008, 06:33:13 PM »
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Ricky ji,

Filhaal aap yeh agar chahte hein ki aap ki hur baat ko hum blindly follow kare...aur aap ke uthaaye galat mudde ko bhee dafan kar de....to atleast mere liye to yeh sambhav nahi.aap apni baat ko bachaane ke liye agar koi bhee tark dete rahe to galat ko sahi saabit karna mushkil hein.
aap abhi tuk..'biased' aur 'blind followers' jaise shabd istmaal kar rahe he....jo mujhe nahi lagta kahi se bhee kahi tuk sahi hein....
aap beshuk apni pehli post ko edit kue de...aur isey general issue mein tabdeel kare...jahan asahmati hein...wahaan asahmati hi rahegi.
Aur humne to hur ek yo indian ko dost hi maana hein chahe woh aap ho...pur aapke mun ki shnakaye niraadhaar hein...kaash aap samjhey....

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