Why poetry is secondary over Yoindia ?Who is at fault ?

by Ricky on November 07, 2008, 05:53:18 PM
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«Reply #30 on: November 09, 2008, 07:22:11 PM »
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Dear Mardia Ji,

I definitely understand your words and concern. Rest, according to you I am talking about a bogus issue, well I had this in my mind from long but it was just my recent post which finally forced me to take it out and place in front of all Yoindians, It is my observation and its from long.

So please do not consider it a personal issue. As you said, Prateek ji, we all Yoindians are friends and this is what I want that we should treat everyone equally, however you may give extra preference to those you like but others must not be avoided.

No one is bounded to read all poems and no one expect thousands of replies, all it needs that there should be no ignorance.

Lastly, I am thankful to all who gave their time and replied to this topic.

To Prateek ji, consider the words I wrote in bold in beginning.
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«Reply #31 on: November 10, 2008, 11:29:14 AM »
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AAJ DOST SE DOST KI JUDAAI KA, KUCHH LAG RAHA DAR HAI,
RISHTE TOOT JAAYEIN TOOFAAN ITNA TO NAHI, TOOFAAN BADH RAHA MAGAR HAI.


 happy3 I'LL TRY TO GIVE MY BEST FOR ALL. happy3

KEEP SMILING!


''teer pur kaise ruku mein,aaj lehron ka nimantran''

agar koi lehar toofaan bun kar aapko apni aagosh mein lena chahe to mehaj usey lehar ka swabhaav maankar usmey sama jaana bebasi aur kamzori ka parichaayak hein....aakhri dum tuk joojhne ka janoon lekar hi khela jaata hein lehron se....
aur chinta na kare...yeh to sirf apni apni baaton ke tark hein...dostiyaan itni si baat pur na woh todenge na hum.....chintit na ho...

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«Reply #32 on: November 10, 2008, 04:45:08 PM »
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c. Kindly understand that its not issue about my inactivity. I am strongly against idea that if one who is not regular then can not raise any topic here. It is really sad to know that main cause of the topic was diverted by few and many other followed same idea blindly.I need to remind that I started this topic in order to remind people about ignorance towards work of new members.


Clearly from discussion over here people want to convey that I need to be regular otherwise I should not post or else (as I said) will not get much attention. And this is what I am talking about that we should not follow such tradition.

Also, I will not call it groupism but its a  on going trend on Yoindia and we should get out of it. There are around 10-20 new posts on Yoindia and among them 40%-60% are shared work and other general threads hence only half of the post are original work, so whenever you visit  Yoindia with time in hand then giving reply on those 5-6 latest poem is not hard. Ofcourse this do not applies on people who are busy in their life and visit Yoindia just to see what is new.

Good work always get its part of appreciation, well then I do not agree this atleast on Yoindia, many times I saw many good poems getting buried in pile of newer but less creative work. I can give several example and I even saw few people removing their posts as they did not get attention at all. I will not name them but those people includes even senior members of Yoindia and I guess they will now understand what I am talking about.

And if I am Swarthy - Selfish then would have never started this thread and instead should have followed my own guidelines so that I can attract more replies to my poem. So I request that before making comment people should consider all facts otherwise it leaves bad impression.

Just to remind once again, I asked people to give their real views but seems many just followed few biased views given by some members.

I hope after this discussion work of new people will get more attention irrespective their activity or availability on Yoindia Shayariadab.



ricky ji,
Ek kahani yaad aai bachpan me suni thi.."gaon me ek babaji aaye bade hi siddh atma the ..sabhi samasyaon ka samadhan gramino ko diya karte the.....ek din ek gramin apne 10 saal ke putra ko lekar aaya....aur babaji se kaha ki "Baba mere bete ko "bahoot meetha (sweet) khane ki aadat hai aur siway meethe ke kuch aur khata nahi hai..darta hun ki iske swasthya par bura prabhav padega....aap is samasya ka samadhan karen...
babaji sunne ke baad soch me pad gaye......aur us gramin ko kaha "bachcha dus din baad aana"
aur pooja paath me lag gaye.....
10 din baad gramin fir apne putra ke saath wahan pahuncha...aur babaji ko wada yaad dilaya.......
babaji ne uske putra ko bulaya ...pyaar se usake sir pe haath ferte hue kaha.."beta sirf meetha khana swasthya ke liye thik nahi hai...jo bhi chezen prakrati ne dee hain sabhi upyogi hain..
aisa samjha ke babaji ne gramin ko kaha jaao ab ye sabhi swasthy-vardhak cheezen khayega...
grameen ne utsukta se poocha baba ye baat to aap 10 din pahle bhi kah sakte the....iske liye aapne 10 din mujhe intzaar kyun karwaya?
babaji ne kaha..."beta 10 din pahle tak mai bhi bahoot meetha khata tha....to jo kaam mai khud karta hun yadi wahi kaam mai usase nahi karne ke liye kahta to shayad meri baat ka wazan kam ho jaata...aur wo prabhav paida nahi ho pata...
isliye in 10 dino me maine khud-ko us aadat se nijat dilayi aur aaj kahi baat me itna asar paida kar paya....

umeed hai aap samajh gaye honge ki mujhe bhi aapki inactivity se koi aitraaz nahi...bas mai bhi aapki hi kai baat aapke liye dohraana chahunga
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«Reply #33 on: November 10, 2008, 06:31:25 PM »
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umeed hai aap samajh gaye honge ki mujhe bhi aapki inactivity se koi aitraaz nahi...bas mai bhi aapki hi kai baat aapke liye dohraana chahunga

Bekarar ji, mujhe behad zyada, hadd se zyada aur beintehaN afsos ho raha hai apke muh se aisi bachkani batein sunkar, ya toh aap kuch bhool rahen hain ya aap jaan bhoojh kar anjaan ban raheN hain. Khair ab bhi agar aap nahi samajh paye jis bhi baare mein baat kar raha hun toh aapko meri baat betuki lagegi.

Jaisa ki maine kaha, aap baar baar iss behes ka mudda badal kar meri inactivity pe le aate hain. Jabki yahan mudda hai ki kyun aisa hai (ya sirf kuch ko hi lagta hai) ki naye members ki shayari / kalaam utni tavajjo nahi paate jitni ki purane members ki or unn members ki jo ki Yoindia ke dusroN members say zyada waakif hain paaten hain.

Aur maine koi kanoon banane ko nahi kaha hai, sirf ek vichaar vyakt kiya hai aur ye bhi nahi kaha ki sabhi ko mere diye hue raaste pe chalna hee hai. Jab waqt aur mahaul ijaazat de tabhi iss per ghaur farmayen varna koi bandish nahi hain.


Prateek ji
Sab ko apne tark rakhne ka haq hai aur agar kisi tark mein vazan hai toh bhi uske khilaaf jana toh sirf ahem hi kehlayega. Agar aap koi jaayaz baat lekar haazir hon aur usko hum nakaar dein toh hamari ghalati hai albatta agar uss khyaal mein damm hai toh hum dono hathON se uska istaqbaal karenge.

Sajid je
Aap pehle hi keh chuke hain ki ye sab aapki samajh se pare hai toh aap bila vajah iss thread mein aake apna makhaul kyun banva rahe hain.


Ek baat aur aap sabhi sae kehna chahunga ki iss sab behes ko aap behes hi rehne dijiyega, dil sa naa lagiyega. Kyunki, main toh sirf diye gaye savalon / tarkon ka hi jawaab de raha hun.
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«Reply #34 on: November 10, 2008, 06:54:36 PM »
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Dear Mardia Ji,

I definitely understand your words and concern. Rest, according to you I am talking about a bogus issue, well I had this in my mind from long but it was just my recent post which finally forced me to take it out and place in front of all Yoindians, It is my observation and its from long.

So please do not consider it a personal issue. As you said, Prateek ji, we all Yoindians are friends and this is what I want that we should treat everyone equally, however you may give extra preference to those you like but others must not be avoided.

No one is bounded to read all poems and no one expect thousands of replies, all it needs that there should be no ignorance.

Lastly, I am thankful to all who gave their time and replied to this topic.

To Prateek ji, consider the words I wrote in bold in beginning.


Dear Ricky ji,

I would like to request you once to read what all you have written in your first and second post.The issue may not be bogus but the way you presented was not at all comfertable to eyes and heart as well.You seem to be well versed but using harsh words,almost challenging the dignities of people who really read and appreciate good stuff,and moreover connecting it to your posted poem cannot be ignored.Actually If you read all what you have been posting here it seems you are trying to convert a personal issue into a general issue now. Had you mentioned somebody else's work and then tried to analyse the root cause then it would have sounded better.
 posts in Shayri-e- ishq ,shayri-e-dard etc are highlighted on main page but shayri-zindgi, miscellaneous shayri etc. do not get that kind of attention. So definately clicks and views will be less...Now that is a technical fault or may be a set formula...but this is the way it works. Who is to be blamed on that??
And as you said that people read their friend's poetry and only comment on that and avoid else-please tell me the so called freindship-how was this between any two members developed? Were they known to each other before or only because they liked their poetry and commented and that let to the nourishment of friendship. It was all because of poetry, I guess!
Then I was most stunned by your insignifcant remark of suggesting to convert this site into dating and friendship site...becasue if so old dedicated members like you can even think like that it is most disturbing.

I really feel that by now you have understood that your post was  surely impolite but there is hesitation from your side to admit the same. But this matter cannot be dragged for too long otherwise it may create more confusions and time can be lost in accusing each other.
I have re-read your posts and I really want you to re-read them again.And believe me your prestige will never be at stake if once you understand all and realise the problem.
Thank you.

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«Reply #35 on: November 10, 2008, 07:10:11 PM »
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Bekarar ji, mujhe behad zyada, hadd se zyada aur beintehaN afsos ho raha hai apke muh se aisi bachkani batein sunkar, ya toh aap kuch bhool rahen hain ya aap jaan bhoojh kar anjaan ban raheN hain. Khair ab bhi agar aap nahi samajh paye jis bhi baare mein baat kar raha hun toh aapko meri baat betuki lagegi.

Jaisa ki maine kaha, aap baar baar iss behes ka mudda badal kar meri inactivity pe le aate hain. Jabki yahan mudda hai ki kyun aisa hai (ya sirf kuch ko hi lagta hai) ki naye members ki shayari / kalaam utni tavajjo nahi paate jitni ki purane members ki or unn members ki jo ki Yoindia ke dusroN members say zyada waakif hain paaten hain.

Aur maine koi kanoon banane ko nahi kaha hai, sirf ek vichaar vyakt kiya hai aur ye bhi nahi kaha ki sabhi ko mere diye hue raaste pe chalna hee hai. Jab waqt aur mahaul ijaazat de tabhi iss per ghaur farmayen varna koi bandish nahi hain.


Prateek ji
Sab ko apne tark rakhne ka haq hai aur agar kisi tark mein vazan hai toh bhi uske khilaaf jana toh sirf ahem hi kehlayega. Agar aap koi jaayaz baat lekar haazir hon aur usko hum nakaar dein toh hamari ghalati hai albatta agar uss khyaal mein damm hai toh hum dono hathON se uska istaqbaal karenge.

Sajid je
Aap pehle hi keh chuke hain ki ye sab aapki samajh se pare hai toh aap bila vajah iss thread mein aake apna makhaul kyun banva rahe hain.


Ek baat aur aap sabhi sae kehna chahunga ki iss sab behes ko aap behes hi rehne dijiyega, dil sa naa lagiyega. Kyunki, main toh sirf diye gaye savalon / tarkon ka hi jawaab de raha hun.

Ricky ji,

Sabse pehle to ahem ki paribhaasha bataane ke liye shukriya.Hur vyakti jisne yahan posts padhi hongi jaanta hein kin-kin posts mein ahem chupa hua hein.Yakeen maaniye sub samajhdaar hein.

Aur doosri baat-jaayaz baat jaayaz tareekey se hi acchi lagti hein..na ki zabardasti ki bhasha se.Aur mein poochna chaunga agar aapki post pur sawalia nishaan na khada kar ke -usey sub razamandi de ki chalo ricky bhai ne bahut hi badhiya sujhaav diya hein-isey tabdell kar dete hein dating ya friendship site mein....to aap ko sakoon milega apne kahi hui BACHKAANI baat pur jo aap ko doosron ki lug rahi hein.
Meri aapse ek dost ki tarh raay he-agar maane to...jis kisi pur aapko bharosa ho,aapko lagtga ho jo so called UNBIASED OR NON-BLIND hein unsey salaah lijiye aur fir sameeksha kijiye apne uthaaye tarkon pur.
Aur bura na maane to saccha dost wahi hota hein jo bhatke huey dost to sahi disha dikhaaye na ki uski haan ji-haanji kare bina sochey samjhey....bilkul pareshaan na ho...subah ka bhoola shaam ko aane se kabhi bhoola nahi kehlaata!

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«Reply #36 on: November 10, 2008, 07:23:04 PM »
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Prateek ji,

First of all, as I already explained earlier according to my observation I found that most of the poetry of new members / relatively less familiar members are not properly weighed. But when  I recently made post (poem) then found similar happening to my work so it was confirmed that my observation was not false hence I took the part to bring this thing to notice of others. So its obvious that this post may look like referring to my post but it was not the only but one of the reason and hence its not a personal reason.

About my first post being impolite, well I never said that I intended to be polite there. I made it so that atleast out of annoyance people will comment here (you may see notice last line in my first post) otherwise I had doubt if anyone will bother to comment on it. Because in past I have seen so many such discussion buried only after 3-4 response and without any proper outcome.

Regarding main page, from last few days we do not see ishq etc there, now Parastish, Watan etc are displayed instead.
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«Reply #37 on: November 10, 2008, 07:33:49 PM »
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Ricky ji,

Sabse pehle to ahem ki paribhaasha bataane ke liye shukriya.Hur vyakti jisne yahan posts padhi hongi jaanta hein kin-kin posts mein ahem chupa hua hein.Yakeen maaniye sub samajhdaar hein.

Prateek

Prateek ji,

Yahi toh mudda hai, yahan agar koi kisi thoda sa bhi nazdeek hota hai toh wo uske kisi bhi kahi hui baat ko kaat-ta nahi hai. Tamaam log honge jo ki mere tark se puri tarah sehmat honge par fir bhi yahan koi comment nahi karenge kyonki woh Yoindia ke Repected members ki baat ko ghalat nahi keh sakte.

Log isse parr rahe honge per yahan kuch naa kehke wo bila vajah ke janjaal se bach rahe honge.

Baaki aap sab log samajhdaar hain, samajh gayen honge. Kisi ko toh yeh baat uthani hi thi, so maine uthai.

Main ye nahi kahunga ki jo favour main hai wo samne ayen par ye haqiqat ki aise harr baar hua hai.
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«Reply #38 on: November 10, 2008, 07:45:51 PM »
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Prateek ji,

Yahi toh mudda hai, yahan agar koi kisi thoda sa bhi nazdeek hota hai toh wo uske kisi bhi kahi hui baat ko kaat-ta nahi hai. Tamaam log honge jo ki mere tark se puri tarah sehmat honge par fir bhi yahan koi comment nahi karenge kyonki woh Yoindia ke Repected members ki baat ko ghalat nahi keh sakte.

Log isse parr rahe honge per yahan kuch naa kehke wo bila vajah ke janjaal se bach rahe honge.

Baaki aap sab log samajhdaar hain, samajh gayen honge. Kisi ko toh yeh baat uthani hi thi, so maine uthai.

Main ye nahi kahunga ki jo favour main hai wo samne ayen par ye haqiqat ki aise harr baar hua hai.


Ricky ji,

Waah! Waah!
Aapka yakeen hein ki tamaam log honge jo aap ke tark se,aapke andaaz se ,aapki mridubhasha se sehmut honge pur jhijak rahe honge janjaal mein fusne se!!
Kya turup ka ikka chala hein....jo log aap ke tark ke tareekey ko aur kuch baaton se vyathit hein woh aapko dikhaayi bhee de rahe hein pur aapko manzoor nahi aur jo adrishya samarthak hein woh nazar aa rahe hein. Jaado hein aap mein janaab!!
Aur chunki ub ki baar jis tarah se aap ne likha hein kuch log zaroor mil jaayenge aapko jo aapki baat pur apni mohar laga jaayenge....pur ricky bhai-maan jao-yeh koi jeet haar ka vishay nahi sahi ko sahi kehne ki aur maan-ne ki baat hein.
Aap bilkul niraash na ho...perfection kisi ke paas nahi hoti!!

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«Reply #39 on: November 10, 2008, 08:22:02 PM »
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Discussion ka kabhi koi ant nahi hota.. bahoot dino se yah thread parr rahi hu. Ricky ji mujhe apka tark samjh main ayya... magar app jo kah rahe hai wo poori tarah se lagu hona mushkil hai. maine apni pahle wali post main apko likha tha ki yah sirf new members ya jo log bahoot kam atte hai unke sath he nahi, balki jo roj atte hai likhte hai unke sath bhi hota hai.

apki baat sahi hai ki sabhi posts ko tavjjo milani chahiye... ab sawal yah hai ki kaise?

yah bahoot he kudrati baat hai ki jab main sabko padati hu kuch mere fav. ho jaate hai, unka likha mujhe acha lagta hai. unki rachnao ki wait hoti hai aor jaise he main online atti hu, meri najre unke likhe ko dhoondati hai...

New members doosre number per atte hai, aor uske baad baki sab.. agar waqat ho to. issi tarah her member ka apna apna ek tarika hai yo per akar posts check karna aor jawab dene ka.

isse badla nahi ja sakta. magar request ki ja sakti hai ki agar wo her baar jab bhi online ayye to kuch new members ki threads jaroor chek kar sake aor comments de sake.


Ricky ji ek baat apko aor samjhni hogi jo ki Admin ji ke rules main se ek hai ki agar app chahte hai ki apki post per comments ayye to apko aoro ki posts parr kar wahan bhi comments dene hoge.. agar yo-members apko janate nahi to do din ke ander apki post main koi khas jawab nahi ayege aor do din mai itani posts hoti hai Yoindia per ki apka thread kahin niche dab jayega.

Ajj main apne open kiye threads dekh rahi thi aor hairaan ho rahi thi ki kitane threads hai jo kabhi 2nd page tak nahi phunche.. ab na to main New member hu, mere khayal mujhse jayada Active Mahiya ya celmira ho to ho aor koi najar nahi atta, Normal sa likh bhi leti hu ki log yah na kahe isko padna fizool hai...shabd bhi mere saral he hote hai aor main almost sabhi ke threads mai likhati hu aor koshish karti hu ki sabhi new members ka sath de saku.. (yah sab maine ek ek karke Admin ji ne jo rules bataye hai unke jawab main likha hai). in sabke bawjood meri kitani threads kabhi 2nd page tak nahi pahunchi.

Bekarar ji and Prateek ji, Mai apki baat se sehmat hu ki Ricky ji ne bahoot he acha mudda uthaya hai, magar jis tarah se unhone apne thread main yah sab likha us wajah se wo baat nahi bani... magar mudda kisi bhi tareeke se uthaya gaya ho.. mudda hai sahi aor hum sabko mil kar iske liye kuch sochna chahiye.

Ab iske baad meri sab se yah request hai ki ek doosre ki post ko quote kar ke jawab na de... sirf yah likhe ki iske liye hum kaya kar sakte hai...

kaya kuch monitors sirf issi liye banaye jaaye jo roj new members ki, ya new threads ko check kare aor jawab de..
aor sath ke sath sab Yoindia members koshish kare ki wo apne total Yoindia time mai se 5 se 10 min new members and new threads (jo unke fav. ya dost nahi hai) ko dege..


come up with some suggession... Please No more discussion
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«Reply #40 on: November 10, 2008, 08:31:30 PM »
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Pooja ....Main aapki kahi baat se poori tarah sehmat hoon...

Ek achcha sujhaav diya hai aapne ki kuch members chune jaayen, jo naye members ko encourage karen...!
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«Reply #41 on: November 10, 2008, 10:15:14 PM »
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Mere khayal se agar karne layak koi cheese hai to wo ye hai ki hum apni karni aur kathani ke antar ko mitayen.
kya hi achcha hota agar "RICKY JI" sirf is thread pe reply karne ke saath saath aaj kisi ek naye shayar ki poem pe koi reply, koi comment bhi de dete...jaisa ki wo sabhi se karne ke liye appeal kar rahe hain.
ye baat mai in general un sabhi senior yoindians ke liye kah raha hun jo ye dekhne me apana khasa waqt jaya karte hain ki naye shayar ko koi appreciation nahi mil raha lekin khud unko reply dene ki jahmat nahi uthate.

to is samasya ka samadhaan to Ricky ji de hi chuke hain..jarurat sirf use khud par laagu karne ki hai.. Usual Smile
nivedan hai ki kripya ise bachkaani baat kah kar na tala jaaye
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«Reply #42 on: November 11, 2008, 01:42:26 PM »
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Kindly DO NOT MAKE PERSONAL COMMENTS OVER HERE.....Please give some respect to other people, no matter you are against or in favour of someone's IDEA

p.s

The post which made me write this comment has now been deleted by the member.
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«Reply #43 on: December 26, 2010, 07:12:57 PM »
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I dont think so brother.
Mera yahaan post ka pahlaa hi din hai.
3 posts ki hai aur 8 comments aaye hai (kuchh hi ghanto me)....

So its clear.....
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«Reply #44 on: May 02, 2013, 01:13:19 PM »
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Ricky jee
Genuine issues..
positiveness, a will to improve.
but result .. almost nil.

Situation continues ..wait n hope still on..

let's see.

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