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Karan koi bhi baat force se to ho nahi sakati....aor bhagwaan ka bhagat banane ke liye dil ke ander se awaz anni chahiye aor vishwaas hona chahiye.... mera bhagwaan mai poora vishwaas hai magar kisi ko jabardasi yah vishwaas dilaau. Is baat per bilkul bhi vishwaas nahi.....

Ranjeet, its not contiousness...its consciousness...

And human birth is indeed rare...but we need some other favorable circumstances with it to make it meaningful...if we get these favorable circumstances in some other birth, for example, affluent people keeping dog...then dog would not be able to make use of the favorable conditions to realise God...so first we need human birth, then we need other favorabel conditions...

u can check my post, Blessing-II, on page 2 of this forum about other favorable conditions...

And indeed, its true that nobody gets hurt unnecessarily...whether we understand it or not, all of us get only the fruits of our Karma...and how do you know that only girl child gets killed...

Dear, perhaps you do not know something serious...when parents go for CT scan to find about the sex of the child...then those people just for the sake of earning some money, sometimes make a misrepresentation that the embryo contains girl child even though the child might have been a boy also...these type of cases have come to light...so do not ever think that only girl child are getting killed...

and do you think that all the boys and males on this earth are living in bliss? Now a days, boys are having a hell of a time...i don't know about you...but there is so much unemployment, which is creating huge pressure on the minds of the young boys...is their mental pressure less miserable than the conditions of the girls...

And i would like to point out one more thing...for the present situation of girls and females, only females themselves are responsilbe...its only in small number of cases that a male member of family has objections for having a female child...in most of the cases, the female members, like mother-in-law, of the family have objections in having a female child...so what could anyone do about it...its actually females against females and not males against females as all the media is making it out...

And i don't believe in theories of scientists because their theories keep on changing...i have been a science student myself, so i know and understand science very well...so plz do not give me examples of science theories...

and species do get extinct and new species do get formed...but the total no. of species is around 84 lakhs...don't be so rigid, ranjeet...thora bahut farak to chalta hay yaar...ek ek baat ko puri baariki se dekhoge to perfection to kahin nahi milega...because perfection is only in God...

any other queries?

hmmm nice karan!!!!!!!!!!

Good discussion...

Ranjeetji, I asked you to read my post Blessings II on the second page of this Forum…perhaps u did not read it…

Suppose, someone has only that much money in which he can bring flour from the market…now, is it possible to make a decent meal just from the flour, in the absence of salt and all other ingredients…

Similarly, due to some punya karma, jivatma gets human birth…but we need some other favorable conditions also, to make it successful and reach the state of self-realisation…please read Blessings II…

And as far as increase in population is concerned, I can only say that the criteria for human birth is defined by the Creator…I am not the Creator, so I can’t answer this question…I can only tell u the path which leads to the Creator…and that path is the path of Satsang…It would be proper if u follow the path, reach the Creator and ask the question yourself…

Ranjeetji, you have to stop asking questions for some time, because your concept about God and people is not clear…please do not mind…it’s the harsh truth…first you need to understand, who is man and who is woman?…the outer body which you see is made up of five element of nature…fire, water, soil, air and space…its called gross body, sthula sharir…inside it is sukshm sharir i.e. subtle body which consists of mann, buddhi, chitt [the store house of Sansakars] and ahankar [the I consciousness]…inside that is kaaran sharir i.e. the causal body…and inside that is the supreme consciousness which we call God…so in essence, its God everywhere…then, who is suffering and who is killing…its just illusion…just as we, sometimes, get scared on seeing a bad dream and when our eyes get opened, we take a sigh of relief…similarly, this world is just illusion and we need to come out of this illusion to end our misery…

Moh nisha sab sovanihara, dekhahin sapne anek prakara
Ramcharitmanas

Please stop worrying about others…no body is going to weep for you or disturb his sleep, just in case, you have to face testing times…help others as much as you could but do not worry unnecessarily…u have not made people miserable…every person comes with his/her destiny… they have to fulfill their destiny…do you know about anyone’s past Karmas?…if not, then why you worry so much…may be, we also got killed before or immediately after birth in some previous birth and may be we also had miserable existence in previous lives…how do you know that you have got a full and decent life to live every time you have taken birth…

You can never make anyone happy for all the time…the only way to end miseries is to know our true self…in other words, to know God…

True service lies in giving true knowledge!
Swami Vivekanand   

And the people, who seem to suffer in this lifetime will surely get to live their full lives with all the comforts in some future birth…be sure about that…

The thing we need to understand is that, the comforts are given for using them for the purpose of God realization and not for possession…and this wisdom comes only through Satsang…

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I read in Class XI in my Biology book that there are about 8 million species, i.e. 80 lakhs, in both Plant and Animal Kingdom and if we include the species of other kingdoms also [like Kingdom Fungi and others] then they come very near to 84 lakhs…ab ranjeetji, agar ap ek ek paee ka hisaab karenge to kaise chalega…thora bahut fark to hota hay na…sansaar hay…parivartan chalta rehta hay…

I read in ‘Autobiography of a Yogi’ by Paramhansa Yoganad that we do get birth on other planes according to our Karmas…but God-realization is possible only in human birth on this earth i.e. mrityulok!

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Why human is responsible for the bad deeds of God?
Nice question! First we need to understand ourselves and God, only then we can understand whether this question deserves to be answered.

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And, how do you know that Muslim and Hindu Saints do not agree with each other…take it from me…they have always agreed…because truth is only One…ever heard of Mansoor, Baba Farid, Baba Bulleshah…they have always agreed with Hindu theory of Vedanta…Mansoor was killed by the then King because he used to say ‘Analhak’ which meant ‘I Am God’ which is Hindu theory of Vedanta…

Last year, a song written by Baba Bulleshah during his time became very popular, which was sung by a Sikh…’Ke jana main kaun bulle aa, ke jana main kaun’…that song is nothing but Acharya Shankar’s Sivoham in a new format…

Those who do not agree are all ignorant people…do not worry about them…

Among Hindus also, there are many theories…e.g. the theory of Advaita or Vedanta, the theory of Vishisht Advaita, the theory of Dwaita and other theories…

The theory that has all the answers is only one…the theory of Advaita or Vedanta!

Lastly, I would like to tell you one incident that happened with Swami Ram.

Swami Ram was brought up by the Himalayan Sages. Like everyone, he also loved to ask questions. Once he went to one enlightened sage, to whom his Master has referred him. The sage used to live on high altitude mountains. Swami Ram went to him and asked certain questions. The sage’s answer sums up the whole of spirituality and tells us the way to find answers to all our questions:

The answer was: ‘Be Still and Silent and you will know without being told’

‘All the man’s miseries arise because of his not being able to sit silently in a room’
Pascal

The most difficult part is to be both still and silent at the same time. All sadhna is done to attain that state of being still and silent at the same time. For that you need to read and understand Patanjali’s Yogsutras.

When I started, I also had certain questions in my mind that got answered with time. Nobody becomes a spiritual person without having any doubts in his/her mind. Everyone has doubts. Sometimes, I also felt whether I am treading the right path? Whether God really exist? But on contemplation on the miseries of the world, I came to the conclusion that I am on the right path. Its all HIS grace. What we need is Faith and Patience.

And its by HIS grace, that the curiosity to gain knowledge about HIM arises in a person’s mind. Since you have got curiosity, it means your time has come. What you need is right advice.

I can tell you one way to become a spiritual person. Whenever you have any doubt, just think of Gautam Buddha’s life. All your doubts will vanish.

I won’t be arguing anymore. No one has understood God by arguments. You need to make some effort. Moreover, I do not find much time to think so much deeply to answer your queries. I need to settle my life first. Only then I can think of helping someone else. Charity begins at home.

Only thing I can do for you is to tell you, what books to read and whose Satsang to listen. You need to be extremely patient. God is not like a chapter of a school—book that you would understand in a few classes. People had spent their lives in finding God. And you have just started. So, be patient. And read good spiritual and philosophical books.

To start with, read the biographies of famous saints of the past. It will give you inspiration to move on, on this path.

May God lead you to Himself,

God bless all!

ranjeetji, yr problem is that u read only that much which u want to read...i wrote that first u should understand the concept of God...only then u will be able to understand other things...but, perhaps, u forgot to read all that...